Paternity Testing Ban Upheld in France

ukxenon

ukxenon

ukxenon

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In France its called "keep the peace"

""preserve the peace" within French families, with the French government citing psychologists who state that fatherhood is determined by society, rather than biology."

But you should be aware it is common in all western countries for men not to have any rights and whose lives are considered common resources for all of society. Whereas with women women have all the parental rights from conception to when the child turns adult. So it makes sense when you consider these two controversial ideas.

In other words, men are forcibly required to parent children even when he is lied to by their partners and the government will enforce this with jail-time and fines.


THOUGHTS?
 
To me it seems a bit backwards. I think a father should have the right to request a biological paternity test if there is any reasonable doubt, we are talking about a huge life altering commitment.

I also think men and women should have equal parental rights from conception to maturity, unfortunately it seems we are wayy off achieving that.

edit: apparently, upon further reading you can get a court approved test. So it's not as all encompassing as it first seems. Nonetheless, an "at will" test still seems a basic right.
 
ukxenon said:
In France its called "keep the peace"

""preserve the peace" within French families, with the French government citing psychologists who state that fatherhood is determined by society, rather than biology."

But you should be aware it is common in all western countries for men not to have any rights and whose lives are considered common resources for all of society. Whereas with women women have all the parental rights from conception to when the child turns adult. So it makes sense when you consider these two controversial ideas.

In other words, men are forcibly required to parent children even when he is lied to by their partners and the government will enforce this with jail-time and fines.


THOUGHTS?
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Are men required to support the mother and child financially if it is not proven that they are in fact the father?
 
Haggisman said:
Are men required to support the mother and child financially if it is not proven that they are in fact the father?
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I believe so. I think France takes all this stuff too far in imposing their whole secular beliefs on all citizens. Like banning Muslims from exercising the free choice to wear headscarves. Then we have this idea that because they are fatherhood as being the whole social side of it then paternity tests don't matter... well they might matter to individuals and frankly I'm more supportive of individual rights. I think Muslim headscarves are silly but I think an individual has the right to dress as they please. I don't see why an individual should be prevented from deterimining if they are in fact the father of a child.
 
I believe the Spanish labs which do DNA testing approve when Frenchmen give them money because the French labs won't do it.

Much the same as when abortion is illegal in country X but it so happens that in the neighbouring country it is not... you simply go on a brief trip...
 
If i enter a relationship with a women and she has kids then you take them on BUT you are not the father (THATS A CHOICE) but if a woman cheats on you and it is not yours why should you be held financially responsible (CHOICE GONE)
I can see this backfiring at some point
 
There was a case in the UK, maybe 5 years ago, where a father, on the break up of his marriage, discovered that his daughter wasn't biologically his. The court ordered that he was obliged to carry on supporting the daughter until she was 18. My initial thoughts were "what an outrage". After thinking about it some more, and thinking about the daughter, I'm not sure what other outcome would have been better (well better for everyone apart from the father!)

Also echo the above re reported French adultery rates...the whole country would spend it's entire time in court
 
Freakbro said:
Doesn't seem that different to ours :p

43% of married people in France admit to affairs compared to 36% in the UK

https://www.indy100.com/article/mos...ffairs-cheat-unfaithful-french-survey-7424631
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Similar populations so 7% is a few million more people admitting to it over there. If this is a growing issue with fathers bringing up children who aren’t their own, it could have a massive effect on their society if they were able to walk away without financial or legal responsibility.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Similar populations so 7% is a few million more people admitting to it over there. If this is a growing issue with fathers bringing up children who aren’t their own, it could have a massive effect on their society if they were able to walk away without financial or legal responsibility.
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What about the massive effect on the individual if they are forced to take financial and legal responsibility for a child they will never know is not theirs. Personally I think paternity testing should be a free option to any father who was wants it.
 
Hades said:
What about the massive effect on the individual if they are forced to take financial and legal responsibility for a child they will never know is not theirs. Personally I think paternity testing should be a free option to any father who was wants it.
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Yeah, I’m not ignoring the effect it must already be having, just looking at the reasons behind them making it difficult for men to find out if the child is theirs, and I agree that they shouldn’t have to go through the courts.

Perhaps some of the forum members who live there can tell us if there’s a different culture around parenthood.
 
If this makes men less trusting of their partners and the judicial system, would that not potentially have a side effect of lowering the birth rate even more as men consider the risk too great?
 
If a man can be 'on the hook' for 18 years because of a one night stand where a woman makes a unilateral decision to keep the child (and hold the father financially responsible) then a man can darn well be off said hook if the child isn't his and most likely he has been the target of an intentional and cruel fraud.

That the French state threatens men who try and confirm paternity with the threat of a year in prison €15,000 fine brings into question the reasons for the banning of, non court orderded, paternity tests in the first place (if the aim is to 'preserve the peace of families' how is this aim served if the man is heavily fined and or imprisoned?)
 
As an aside, This is why there is the so called double standard.

Wives have traditionally been rather more accommodating about their husbands playing away from home than the other way round. The reason for this, of course, Is that ultimately, only Women know for certain which children are theirs....

A wandering husband might well end up fathering sprogs around and about, in the past certainly, this would have been of little consequence or threat to the wife. A Wandering Wife on the other hand could well result in the Husband having to put considerable resources into raising a child that isnt his. A far more onerous burden.

Historically, Wives playing away have always been considered a far more serious and unforgivable scenario.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Similar populations so 7% is a few million more people admitting to it over there. If this is a growing issue with fathers bringing up children who aren’t their own, it could have a massive effect on their society if they were able to walk away without financial or legal responsibility.
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Why should any man (or woman) be forcibly required to raise another man/woman's offspring, tho?

Of course many choose to adopt, and that's admirable. But at least it's a choice (over here). Effectively being forced to adopt someone else's child is bloody cheeky.
 
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