It's comically one sided if the man contests paternity he has to commit to paying for the test (currently just under £240). If he's proved right does the woman pick up the bill?..... no the state does of course!
Paternity Testing Ban Upheld in France
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It's comically one sided if the man contests paternity he has to commit to paying for the test (currently just under £240). If he's proved right does the woman pick up the bill?..... no the state does of course!
I didn't quite catch the part where you explained how that was a wrong description of the obvious views being stated before that post.
Come to think of it you managed to work it out on your own that the whole scheme tries to force the male to be selfless and care for the child regardless of genetics or fairness.
A wasted interjection surely?
I think compelling someone, who is already potentially the victim of a malicious fraud, to pay in this manner for a child they are not parent of is quite an astonishing act of cruelty and unfairness. There's nothing 'selfish' about declining to be a major contributor in this fashion to another persons child....
You went straight to the emotive... 'who will think of the children line'.. As I pointed out an often heavily flawed line of argument.
And as I so pointed the state gets very concerned about responsiblities the other way about with regards to who the (biological) father is based in their DNA
@Hotwired Seriously? Just wow.
Spot on. I understand the need to protect the child. But the child will be looked after by the state if absolutely required. However this is an attempt to shift responsibility from the state to a completely innocent party who is already a victim themselves.
They’ll be financially looked after by the state but they must be worried about the alarming statistics surrounding children (particularly young boys/men) who grow up without a father figure. Again though, where’s the personal responsibility in all of this? Allowing women to have children with whomever they like and have the burden fall on whichever bloke she’s technically with at the time isn’t going to do much good either.
Not correct, I underlined that the state IS thinking of the children and putting them ahead.
Not the same thing as "who will" because it is already a real thing not an opinion.
The entire post was going through reasoning to why the French made this decision in reply to Foxeye asking why they did it.
You are reading the whole post in context of replying to the question aren't you? I have this feeling it's not the case for multiple people.
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I wonder if this is something to do with Europe’s recent influx of new arrivals who are ~90% men. Even if the child is visibly clearly not his, there’s no way to legally prove it, so he still has to pay.
Its not healthy for children to have a 'father' who wants nothing to do with them because he isn't, in any sense of the meaning of the word, their father apart from by an exposed fraud....
Its faux 'caring'......
Children benefit from engaged, willing parents not unrelated people being unfairly press ganged, by the state, into being a money bank because the real father can't or won't be found/named.
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From a quick google apparently it's one in fifty in the UK. Not sure if this is surprisingly high or surprisingly low...
Higher than I'd expect tbh. 1 in 50 is a high enough chance that you need to be cautious. If we had a 1 in 50 chance of being shot, it would literally be a warzone outside.
Leaving the country instead of being a financial slave would look appealing, ofc you'd get called all kinds of names for "running away". But your the one being done over, so **** em.
Leaving the country instead of being a financial slave would look appealing, ofc you'd get called all kinds of names for "running away". But your the one being done over, so **** em.
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I suspect that there are some Dads out there who, if they'd maybe paid a bit more attention in biology re: genetics (eye colour) and blood types etc.. would know that they've been cuckolded but are instead unknowingly living with the deceit.
It isn't actually uncommon to hear an anecdote from some school teacher being 'corrected' by a pupil when teaching certain subjects - "erm actually you're wrong miss, I asked my dad and he is blood type..." thus causing a bit of a **** storm at home. If the numbers are as high as 1 in 50 then...
I suspect some nurses will spot things like this two re: blood types - I'm guessing they have to skirt around the subject.
I wonder if the French will perhaps consider banning some biology lessons too...
It isn't actually uncommon to hear an anecdote from some school teacher being 'corrected' by a pupil when teaching certain subjects - "erm actually you're wrong miss, I asked my dad and he is blood type..." thus causing a bit of a **** storm at home. If the numbers are as high as 1 in 50 then...
I suspect some nurses will spot things like this two re: blood types - I'm guessing they have to skirt around the subject.
I wonder if the French will perhaps consider banning some biology lessons too...
No way of telling short of compulsory DNA testing at birth.
Voluntary DNA contributions for research purposes can give some indication, but the results are rarely publically available and they're probably an underestimate because women in that situation are probably less likely to want to take part. If you'd had a child with one man and fooled another into thinking he was the father, would you be happy for the three of you to submit DNA samples to take part in a study of inheritable traits?