Patients dying needlessly

doctors are human humans make mistakes... everyone makes mistakes... its not nice for those who the mistakes are made on but you can never remove the possibility of mistakes happening...

we cannot afford a perfect system... what we have seems ok for now...
 
It's only the Peasants who can't afford to go Private Don't worry about it.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if these happen at the end of a doctor or nurse's shift. Fairly sure most medical staff will work 60-80 hours a week, sleep deprivation is probably a factor.
 
int said:
I wouldn't be surprised if these happen at the end of a doctor or nurse's shift. Fairly sure most medical staff will work 60-80 hoursa week, sleep deprivation is probably a factor.
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fairly sure most don't - European working time regs etc...
 
edscdk said:
doctors are human humans make mistakes... everyone makes mistakes... its not nice for those who the mistakes are made on but you can never remove the possibility of mistakes happening...

we cannot afford a perfect system... what we have seems ok for now...
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Doctors are paid enough and are trained enough to be professional enough not to gamble with people's lives so needlessly. As far as i am concerned it is more to do with competence than anything else and what you are suggesting is intollerable.
 
While we are giving & increasing foreign aid to every jack man & his dog & allowing anyone to use our nhs for free, what do you expect?

Time to spend it home....
 
edscdk said:
doctors are human humans make mistakes... everyone makes mistakes... its not nice for those who the mistakes are made on but you can never remove the possibility of mistakes happening...

we cannot afford a perfect system... what we have seems ok for now...
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People dying due to errors means there is something wrong with the system, errors can be fixed. If cant afford to fix it then there is no point in providing it.
 
My sister had to stay overnight in Coventry hospital once and she had a nurse that couldn't speak English and couldn't manage to sort out a nebuliser (mask thing that has oxygen or whatever), she had to do it herself. It is quite distressing when you are struggling to breathe and the only nurse around can't manage a routine basic task.

Why do people like this get given jobs in the hospital?
 
ethan said:
Doctors are paid enough and are trained enough to be professional enough not to gamble with people's lives so needlessly. As far as i am concerned it is more to do with competence than anything else and what you are suggesting is intollerable.
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Yes paying people enough teaches them not to gamble, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Have you seen the investment banks which bankrupted the country?

Anyway, what do you do Ethan? What is your job? Have you ever made a mistake?
 
Coming from a health background, this is not surprising sadly I'm afraid. All goes back to Reason's accident causation model, which was modelled for the NHS/Healthcare in the UK by Charles Vincent I believe. Incorrectly prescribing a medicine, not prescribing a medicine, incorrect dose, omission of medication, adverse drug reactions, miselection and dispensing errors, administration errors could possible cause severe harm/death ... It's not as simple or black and white issue over doctors/nurses/hcp training I am afraid...
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Yes paying people enough teaches them not to gamble, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Have you seen the investment banks which bankrupted the country?

Anyway, what do you do Ethan? What is your job? Have you ever made a mistake?
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Yes I am a medical trainer and a director of a company which pays particular attention to the prevention of (medical) mistakes bearing in mind we are only talking about basic mistakes in the op's post.
 
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ethan said:
Doctors are paid enough and are trained enough to be professional enough not to gamble with people's lives so needlessly. As far as i am concerned it is more to do with competence than anything else and what you are suggesting is intollerable.
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It doesn't matter how much you pay someone, mistakes will still happen. you would be very silly to believe otherwise.

also gambling is something they have to do day to day with unknowns. how ever its either take the gamble win and save a life or don't then there is no chance for life.

I'd take the gamble.
 
•Conduct medical training
•Coordinate and update all medical training in line with current protocols within the business
•Provide input to the Training Syllabus with regards to medical subject matter regarding safe administration of medicines etc.
 
ethan said:
•Conduct medical training
•Coordinate and update all medical training in line with current protocols within the business
•Provide input to the Training Syllabus with regards to medical subject matter regarding safe administration of medicines etc.
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Medical training to whom, sorry that what I was asking, what or who do you train?
 
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