Pay query

naefeart · 12 Apr 2018 at 08:08

BongoHunter said:
Apply for it and see what happens...

Actually I would try this too (and have done in the past in this situation) as it should bring the pay question up either way.

It can be an awkward topic. A colleague of mine recently found out I get paid more than him, no actual figures, but he now believes he is being hard done by. We aren't in the same job, nor have the same level of skills or experience - I have far more of both :rolleyes:

I don't know your job, but you also have to consider the salary range they are offering could net them someone with more experience/qualifications than you.

mrbazmondo · 12 Apr 2018 at 16:41

If the new person needs training and ongoing support from you while you are also doing you new job then you have a reason to ask for a raise.

Belloni · 13 Apr 2018 at 08:59

mrbazmondo said:
If the new person needs training and ongoing support from you while you are also doing you new job then you have a reason to ask for a raise.

Thanks for the advice, I guess the main thing holding me back is I did have a small raise recently which bought me to the lower end of the bracket being offered, would you still enquire?

mrbazmondo · 13 Apr 2018 at 09:49

You could ask what you would have to do in order to speed your progression towards the higher end of the bracket, saying you're willing to take on more responsibility, suggesting things you would be happy to do to increase your chances of not being given something you don't want to do. If they don't know you want more then your chances of them doing something about it are lower.

Belloni · 5 Nov 2018 at 07:26

Bit of an update on this now. I let it be as I had other things to focus on at the time. Now a colleague who was my level, did the same role but looked after a different website, has resigned so her job is now live. I've now seen the job salary base is £3,000 more then me, and up to £10,000 more top end.

I'm going to mention this, thanks for the advice in this thread.

Psycho Sonny · 5 Nov 2018 at 13:03

BongoHunter said:
The mere fact that you've already had one rise indicates to me they're the kind of employer that might be worth sticking with though, keep working hard, make it known you'll be needing a pay rise at your performance review to stay and stick with it.

Also worth bearing in mind that many companies will have some kind of crap policy that says you can't get a rise greater than X% of current salary without director sign off or some such rubbish.

Got sent a paper by someone recently with a couple of interesting tidbits in it - moving to other employers averages an 18% uplift in pay (south east in IT), employees that are super loyal and stay in jobs a long time normally max out a 4% a year in pay growth or something like that, and offers to uplift in pay average a max of 12% increase if you hand your notice in but they want to retain you.

He's not had a pay rise though.

His wage is now the minimum of the pay bracket. So basically he has been bumped up to the minimum.

They have no obligation to pay him any higher but had they not given him a rise he would have had a case against them.

MissChief · 5 Nov 2018 at 13:14

Belloni said:
Bit of an update on this now. I let it be as I had other things to focus on at the time. Now a colleague who was my level, did the same role but looked after a different website, has resigned so her job is now live. I've now seen the job salary base is £3,000 more then me, and up to £10,000 more top end.

I'm going to mention this, thanks for the advice in this thread.

This can backfire if you’re not careful. If your manager is a bit of a suspicious type they can think you’re planning to leave anyway, even after the pay rise they offer to keep you. Is the pay thing really the only reason to look elsewhere?

Semple · 5 Nov 2018 at 13:37

Belloni said:
Bit of an update on this now. I let it be as I had other things to focus on at the time. Now a colleague who was my level, did the same role but looked after a different website, has resigned so her job is now live. I've now seen the job salary base is £3,000 more then me, and up to £10,000 more top end.

I'm going to mention this, thanks for the advice in this thread.

How does your pay compare to the market, as that's really the best bargaining chip.

But as Psycho Sonny says, it doesn't sound like you've had a pay rise per se, it just sounds like they've increased the lower end of the band, and that's bought your salary up.

You can argue this with your manager, but your ultimate card is up and leaving for another job, so if you're serious about it, start looking for another job.

Belloni · 5 Nov 2018 at 13:54

Psycho Sonny said:
He's not had a pay rise though.

His wage is now the minimum of the pay bracket. So basically he has been bumped up to the minimum.

They have no obligation to pay him any higher but had they not given him a rise he would have had a case against them.

My wage is £3,000 below the minimum bracket of this job advert. I've started looking elsewhere regardless but this is the nail in the coffin really. I'll mention it and see what they say, I'll probably just say I'll apply for that job then.

Psycho Sonny · 5 Nov 2018 at 14:00

Belloni said:
My wage is £3,000 below the minimum bracket of this job advert. I've started looking elsewhere regardless but this is the nail in the coffin really. I'll mention it and see what they say, I'll probably just say I'll apply for that job then.

So it's been brought up again?

That is a bit suspicious. Are they struggling to fill the role at the lower wage?

You should be on at least the minimum end of the bracket. However if you are experienced and one of the more knowledgeable within your team you should be on a lot higher then the minimum end of the bracket.

it's hard to say where you should be without all the facts.

I would definitely approach them and lay out the facts and see what they say. it depends on how much they need you as to how aggressive you should be in your tact. as in if your indispensable I would say "these are the facts and list them off, then say tomorrow morning i expect a pay rise and a bonus otherwise you can expect my resignation". if you aren't then obviously you need to approach with more guile. lay out the facts and then say i expect a response from you tomorrow morning after you have considered everything I have addressed to you.

MissChief · 5 Nov 2018 at 14:26

Psycho Sonny said:
So it's been brought up again?

That is a bit suspicious. Are they struggling to fill the role at the lower wage?

You should be on at least the minimum end of the bracket. However if you are experienced and one of the more knowledgeable within your team you should be on a lot higher then the minimum end of the bracket.

it's hard to say where you should be without all the facts.

I would definitely approach them and lay out the facts and see what they say. it depends on how much they need you as to how aggressive you should be in your tact. as in if your indispensable I would say "these are the facts and list them off, then say tomorrow morning i expect a pay rise and a bonus otherwise you can expect my resignation". if you aren't then obviously you need to approach with more guile. lay out the facts and then say i expect a response from you tomorrow morning after you have considered everything I have addressed to you.

I’d imagine an ultimatum like that would result in almost instant dismissal! Give your manager time to go to their boss and even above that as well. Two weeks should be plenty. It’s unlikely your boss can make a decision like that within it consultation.

Psycho Sonny · 5 Nov 2018 at 14:31

MissChief said:
I’d imagine an ultimatum like that would result in almost instant dismissal! Give your manager time to go to their boss and even above that as well. Two weeks should be plenty. It’s unlikely your boss can make a decision like that within it consultation.

depends on how high up you are and how indispensable you are. also you would be wrong to say it would not work. it did and stayed with that company for 18 months before moving on.

Semple · 5 Nov 2018 at 14:32

MissChief said:
I’d imagine an ultimatum like that would result in almost instant dismissal! Give your manager time to go to their boss and even above that as well. Two weeks should be plenty. It’s unlikely your boss can make a decision like that within it consultation.

As long as he's not on probation of any sort, i'm not sure that making an ultimatum for a payrise would be an instant dismissal.

Obviously it wouldn't go down well with the management team, and you'll likely be marked as a "someone who will leave soon" and possibly not get any further pay rises/bonuses etc.

The bottom line is your manager would just tell you to go whistle, and then it's upto you whether you call their bluff and resign, or stay put.

ttaskmaster · 5 Nov 2018 at 15:53