pc upgrade advice

Thx for the help, nvidia display still gives ranging % numbers tho my issue was about if there could be an avrg.
I found an XFX RX 7800 XT [Speedster MERC319 16 Go GDDR6 HDMI 3xDP, AMD RDNA™ 3 (RX-78TMERCB9)] at 559€
and an MSI RTX 4070 Super [12G Ventus 3X OC 12 Go GDDR6X, 2520 MHz, PCI Express Gen 4, 192 Bits, 3X DP v 1.4a, HDMI 2.1a (Supports 4K & 8K HDR)] at 719€
I have no idea if combining intel cpu and amd gpu can be a downgrade in game, i guess if you propose it its ok, the question is: is it worth keeping the rtx/nvidia stuff for 160€?
Performance-wise when comparing these two on UserBenchmark the rtx has +13% speed, +21 avrg score and +30% overcloked score, based on that i think so.
Also in the summary describing the two gpu on the amd one it is written:
"First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set."
What is your take on this as i learned its kind of a war of opinions going on between the 2 groups of users. Like maybe it wont be a problem for cs2 but if i want to play some more high demanding games is it going to pose problem?
"First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set."
My guess that came from 'Userbenchmark'.....the most biased website I've ever had the misfortune to come across and read. So every revieweri n the world and all the yt video's showing performance of the gpu/cpu's in question, are all faked and everyone is being paid by AMD, and intel and nvidia are the poor companies being robbed.....or everyone else is showing their findings and the website is talking ***p.
For gpu in gaming, when going down the stack so to speak, features such as raytracing really don't mean much..the hit in fps means you'll prob turn in on, look at it, go that's nice but my frames are ****, and turn it off and go with raster performance. Here amd are giving better price to performance than nvidia. downside is that you miss out on dlss which is better than fsr(amd version), but at 1080p, they're both meant to be pretty rubbish as not a lot to upscale..as you get more and more expensive cards, then i think extra's such as better ray tracing come into play..however, just saw a vid on yt of the 4080super playing alan wake 2 with path tracing turned on(step up from standard ray tracing), and it managed 42fps...so for a £1k card you get 42fps??? as if people are going to play with that....so i think you have to take everything sade by both nvidia and amd with a pinch of salt...
I generally looks at Harware unboxed at gpu and cpu performance...pretty down the line and graphs easy to understand etc..gamernexus, jaz2cents, paul's hardware etc..they're a few of them
cpu wise, intel were far out in front, rested on laurels, amd rediesigned their cpu's from ground up with ryzen and now they're taking mkt share...12th gen had a little fight back where I had it in front of amd, and overall still is excellent for productivity, but AM5 now has longevity, 7800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu you can get, is a lot cheaper than a 14900k and uses far less power...I couldn't recommend intel unless there productivity involed and then it's video etc, where codec are excellent in intel cpu's...but I'd look at technotice yt for guidamnce there(he does no gaming on his channel)




For transparency, I have 2 pc's running as work abroad so live away from home....B550 e-e gaming,with AMD 5800x cpu, 32gb 3600c18 ddr4 and rtx 3080, and B650e-e strix, 7800X3d, 32gb 6000c30 and 3070ti...even with 3080, i think iturned raytracing on when playing control, then turned it back off when my fps dropped by 50 odd fps

Don't play CS2 so can't really help with setting etc..but looked up the 10400f and that can go up to 100degrees before thermal throttling happens, so 75 degrees isn't anything to worry about. as neither your gpu or cpu are maxed out, I'd start playing around with settings before you drop money on upgrades
 
if you haven't seen HU unboxed, below is the 4070super review and test..putting it in as they've already done the 7800xt from amd, and the 4060ti etc so you can see how card scales with others...notice in 12 game av how 7800xt at 1080p av 129fps with 1%lows of 109, whereas the 4060ti 16gb managed 99 fps with lows of 82, so the 7800xt gives 130% of the performance of the 4060ti...and that's testing with a 7800x3d cpu...later goes onto raytracing etc where 7800xt 1080p dropped to 94fps(lows 82)..so similar to 4060ti raster performance, and the 4060ti dropped to 82(lows 70), so there av was same as 7800tx lows, but diff now is 7800xt is 114.6% faster than the 4060ti, so you can see in rt nvidia pulling back


 
Thx for the help, nvidia display still gives ranging % numbers tho my issue was about if there could be an avrg.
I found an XFX RX 7800 XT [Speedster MERC319 16 Go GDDR6 HDMI 3xDP, AMD RDNA™ 3 (RX-78TMERCB9)] at 559€
and an MSI RTX 4070 Super [12G Ventus 3X OC 12 Go GDDR6X, 2520 MHz, PCI Express Gen 4, 192 Bits, 3X DP v 1.4a, HDMI 2.1a (Supports 4K & 8K HDR)] at 719€
I have no idea if combining intel cpu and amd gpu can be a downgrade in game, i guess if you propose it its ok, the question is: is it worth keeping the rtx/nvidia stuff for 160€?
Performance-wise when comparing these two on UserBenchmark the rtx has +13% speed, +21 avrg score and +30% overcloked score, based on that i think so.
Also in the summary describing the two gpu on the amd one it is written:
"First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set."
What is your take on this as i learned its kind of a war of opinions going on between the 2 groups of users. Like maybe it wont be a problem for cs2 but if i want to play some more high demanding games is it going to pose problem?

AMD Radeon cards don’t require as highend CPU’s and systems behind them to deliver the quoted performance. The advice you have been given is good advice.

Ignore the steam survey figures, they have been nonsense for years. Also ignore the instability/stability claims. Nothing between AMD and Nvidia on that front.
 
"First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set."
My guess that came from 'Userbenchmark'.....the most biased website I've ever had the misfortune to come across and read. So every revieweri n the world and all the yt video's showing performance of the gpu/cpu's in question, are all faked and everyone is being paid by AMD, and intel and nvidia are the poor companies being robbed.....or everyone else is showing their findings and the website is talking ***p.
For gpu in gaming, when going down the stack so to speak, features such as raytracing really don't mean much..the hit in fps means you'll prob turn in on, look at it, go that's nice but my frames are ****, and turn it off and go with raster performance. Here amd are giving better price to performance than nvidia. downside is that you miss out on dlss which is better than fsr(amd version), but at 1080p, they're both meant to be pretty rubbish as not a lot to upscale..as you get more and more expensive cards, then i think extra's such as better ray tracing come into play..however, just saw a vid on yt of the 4080super playing alan wake 2 with path tracing turned on(step up from standard ray tracing), and it managed 42fps...so for a £1k card you get 42fps??? as if people are going to play with that....so i think you have to take everything sade by both nvidia and amd with a pinch of salt...
I generally looks at Harware unboxed at gpu and cpu performance...pretty down the line and graphs easy to understand etc..gamernexus, jaz2cents, paul's hardware etc..they're a few of them
cpu wise, intel were far out in front, rested on laurels, amd rediesigned their cpu's from ground up with ryzen and now they're taking mkt share...12th gen had a little fight back where I had it in front of amd, and overall still is excellent for productivity, but AM5 now has longevity, 7800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu you can get, is a lot cheaper than a 14900k and uses far less power...I couldn't recommend intel unless there productivity involed and then it's video etc, where codec are excellent in intel cpu's...but I'd look at technotice yt for guidamnce there(he does no gaming on his channel)




For transparency, I have 2 pc's running as work abroad so live away from home....B550 e-e gaming,with AMD 5800x cpu, 32gb 3600c18 ddr4 and rtx 3080, and B650e-e strix, 7800X3d, 32gb 6000c30 and 3070ti...even with 3080, i think iturned raytracing on when playing control, then turned it back off when my fps dropped by 50 odd fps

Don't play CS2 so can't really help with setting etc..but looked up the 10400f and that can go up to 100degrees before thermal throttling happens, so 75 degrees isn't anything to worry about. as neither your gpu or cpu are maxed out, I'd start playing around with settings before you drop money on upgrades
massive info thx will look up to that, i have to update my bios and see from there if smth changes, ordered a 3.0 usb tho i need to wait 2 days until the 2.0 delivery i will see what to do from there.
About cpu option, my wish is that after bios update and some advanced in game changes (even tho i game on lowest video settings) my fps will get stable around 200, if not and i have to change components i'd rather not replace my intel motherboard to switch full amd, but i guess now i know its ok to get an amd gpu. Btw someone mentioned "CPU temperature limit", could it be that a bios setting is limiting my cpu at 70°C and therefore causing these frame drops?
 
Someone pointed out if my BIOS was updated and it wasn't so i did the lastest F18 update on my Gigabyte H510M H and still no change.
So i made another capture of a CS2 deathmatch session where i instead used the advanced nvidia overlay: Session Capture (100 and lower drops start at around 1.10 min and go on)
I game on low video settings: CS2 settings
If you need me to run any over test using programs or else no problem i just want to know what is causing this before buying anything
 
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