PCSOs leave boy to drown

Deadly Ferret said:
I can't swim, and dark/deep water is one of only two real fears I have. I believe I would nonetheless go in, knowing it to be futile but feeling no choice, if it were a child of mine.

I would not go in for any other child, because I know that barring some miracle it would result in my horrible death, and the child would probably still drown. I feel no shame in that, although I do now feel a renewed desire to learn how to swim!
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This is pretty much exactly how i feel as well, of course if it was my own child i would do everything i could to save them, even if it cost me my own life.
 
atpbx said:
You cant just leave a child to die.


I just hope that some of you are not in the area if me or mine need help, because we will be done for.
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thats unfair. there was a thread ages ago on here - "who would you die for?"

the vast majority of results came back that there are very few people who would give their lives for someone else, their own kids, let alone someone else's kids. So to make such a bold statement is difficult to give this full credence given the notion that some poeple would not give their life for anyone.

but to me this whole story wreaks of bad kids, bad parents and unfortunate circumstances.

What exactly were these 4 kids doing at the "waters edge" whilst some guys were fishing? probably idioting about and really screwing up the anglers day, up to no good etc. (ive been in similar siuations i know how that goes, and it usually ends up kids splashing about trying to swim about and really pee off everyone else at the water...).

the parents trying to blame someone else for their own misfortune, imo clearly after compensation $$$. because that will really help them hold onto the memory of "little timmy."
 
Aggro! said:
This is a touchy subject, one of the main factors is i would say, is because they are not trained to do it they are noti insured..

therefore if the child ahd still died despite their intervention or he had suffered an injury of some sort, then they would be liable and this would leave the door open for a lawsuit, its not just about keeping their jobs its about their lives aswell...

are you honestly telling me you would jump in and potentially not asve the boys life or injure him and then land yourself with a pay-out that you cannot afford to pay?
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Exactly. Also even if you think you are a competent swimmer undertaking a water rescue is completely different. If you don't conduct it properly you are just as likely to make them swallow water and drown them yourselves. Also you need to know how to react to a person who is likely to grab hold of you as you approach, possibly drowning you both.
 
Azagoth said:
So why did two of these useless cretins turn up to our house after we'd dialled 999?
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Because they were in the area and got there quicker than a response car could have?

I suppose you would rather tham have heard the call over the radio and thought 'nah, wont bother'?

Lord-Jaffa said:
This is pretty much exactly how i feel as well, of course if it was my own child i would do everything i could to save them, even if it cost me my own life.
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But if it isnt your child, would you risk leaving your own children without a father/mother to save it?
 
Defcon5 said:
Because they were in the area and got there quicker than a response car could have?
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They took 30 minutes to turn up and I only live a 5 minute walk (if that) away from the Police station! Plus, when they did turn up they refused to arrest the burglars because it was "too dangerous"!

They're nothing but a complete waste of time and tax payers money in my opinion!
 
Azagoth said:
They took 30 minutes to turn up and I only live a 5 minute walk (if that) away from the Police station! Plus, when they did turn up they refused to arrest the burglars because it was "too dangerous"!
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In that case, they shouldnt have gone there in the first place, as to why they did, who knows! They cant have been that dangerous if you had already caught them. Half an hour is disgraceful for that kind of call, what force was it?

Azagoth said:
They're nothing but a complete waste of time and tax payers money in my opinion!
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Depends what you expect of them, as an intelligence gethering tool, they are second to none, if you want to know something about criminals in an area, its the CSO for that area you want to be speaking to.

Unfortunatley thats irrelevant to the public, and csos are rarely publicised as an intelligence gatherers, merely as yellow jackets on streets
 
I wouldnt lay the blame on anybody,you cant really say what you will do in any particular situation. I stood totally still while my mate was in a fight.....i wanted to go help....but didnt. He hated me for that really.

I would like to say i would have jumped in but unless it was somebody i loved i dont know what i would do,if it looked like the fisherman was helping then what help would it be to endanger myself?

Dont blame the parents. I was always told not to go far or dont go X place. Didnt stop me going down the woods/burns or "doing the backs" or going on mini adventures. It's growing up but unfortunately the poor boy cant learn from this mistake and im sure his sister will remember it for the rest of her life.
 
$loth said:
They don't have powers to arrest iirc.
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Everyone has a power of arrest in certain circumstances.


I think PCSO's are great as long as they're used for a certain purpose. They shouldn't be sent in the place of a regular officer but they should be used for the trivial stuff that would detract from a regular officers day.

I think this case is a terrible accident with bad parenting. And it has nothing to do with PCSO's.
 
$loth said:
Haven't got a clue, sounds completely bizarre. What happened after that?
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Not much, they ordered me to let the burglars go, even though they had their pockets stuffed with our jewellery, and then we had to wait for the real police to arrive and take our statements. I nearly got arrested myself for unleashing a torrent of verbal about the PCSO's in my statement.

Then again, these are the people who called my 90 year old Nan a racist for describing a guy who she saw lurking in her back garden as a "shifty looking muscular black guy"!

Defcon5 said:
They cant have been that dangerous if you had already caught them. Half an hour is disgraceful for that kind of call, what force was it?
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They were very dangerous. The first one I subdued had already pulled a Bowie knife and lunged at me after threatening to "carve me up"! I had to act and get him disarmed and on the ground to protect myself and my family. This info was relayed to the police in the original 999 call too, yet they just didn't seem bothered at all.

As for the the force, it's Staffordshire. I live about 750 yards from Stoke police station.
 
Azagoth said:
Not much, they ordered me to let the burglars go,
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I dont know what to say. I will say that it wont have been there decision, they will have been told to do so

Azagoth said:
They were very dangerous. The first one I subdued had already pulled a Bowie knife and lunged at me after threatening to "carve me up"!
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If you told them that they may have had to wait for an ARV. May I ask how you managed to contain more than one armed criminal single handedly?
 
There were three of us to keep two of them there and my Judo training helped to bring the guy with the knife down. Not exactly difficult when he just comes blindly straight at you in a narrow kitchen.

Anyway, I don't exactly think these were the hardest or smartest of criminal masterminds.
 
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