Pelts question

RossDagley

RossDagley

RossDagley

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Hi guys.

A couple of years ago I ran a pelt setup on my xp3200+ only, with a HE120.2, 1250 eheim and swiftech block. It ran well - stock would be -2 or so idle, 10 degrees or so on load. Overclocked (where my heart lies) was 35 ish degrees (all these from memory) with over 2v through the 3200+ (running at over 2800mhz).

I've since moved house, and lost some components (I'd stripped it down some time before moving, and I've lost some bits and pieces). I want to get back into pelt cooling and figure this is a good as place as any to start just for playing around - questions are though:

1. I'm now confused by the array of blocks/pelt combinations out there - whats the best solution? (Sticking with pelts, I dont want to go vapo). I had a swiftech before, but all I can tell you about it is it was blue ;) (Actually, it was a MCW462-UHT - do these still cut it?) - I've lost the CPU block but I've still got a swiftech gpu pelt block, and I'd probably use that this time round (although its missing some bolts I'd need to get replaced).

2. Whats (generally) better - my 3200+ or a 2500+ mobile chip? I've read some good things about the mobile chips as they run cooler (lower voltage out the box) etc but my 3200+'s a good clockable chip, so I dont know what to use.

If the system is sound, I dont mind having to change the CPU block or the GPU block in say 6 months time when I finally upgrade the MB and CPU into this century - I'm just looking to do this on the old socket A for read me and giggles really. ;)

I'll probably keep my HE120.2 and buy another 120.3 and run the pair of them together in some configuration but I want it to be self contained inside the case so thats another consideration ;)

Thats it for the time being - I'm sure your replies will prompt more questions!

Thanks for your time!
 
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Now bought a Lian-Li PC V2000 PLUS Black Aluminium Full-Tower, and a Thermaltake PurePower 680W ATX2.0 Power Supply to run it (plus Lian Li fanbus, fans, etc) just need to figure out the pelt/water blocks!

Guys - some help here would be great! ;)
 
I would stick with the 3200 as I think 2.8 must be a record.

There are newer pelt blocks available but I doubt they will make much/ any difference to your'e temps.
 
CPU or GPU wise I don't think much has changed to be honest. I think your choice is limited to the DD Maze 4 TEC block or Swiftechs one for the CPU.

As for which CPU, I suspect the 2500 will be better stepping dependent. Only real way is to try though.

Any reason why you won't consider phase?

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Jokester said:
Any reason why you won't consider phase?
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Well tbh its an area I dont know much about for starters (although I'm slightly lacking in info about pelts atm ;)) and I kinda see it as a 'prebuilt' solution. I appreciate a good phase unit will drop me lower than tec's, but I guess I'm looking for the fun of the build etc - and I dont fancy 'building' a phase change unit :p
 
Rick_Barnes said:
you'd of been much better off spending the money on a modern processor :rolleyes:
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You're missing the point.

I'd be better off buying a dual core, dual cpu, dual gfx setup too (which I'm also doing). Thats not the point. I *want* to do it with the ol' socket A...
 
weescott said:
I would stick with the 3200 as I think 2.8 must be a record.
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Forgot to post this earlier. CPU temp in system tray.

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That is impressive and even though its an older system, running that fast is good compared to anything bar dual cores

I would normally recommend mobile over a 3200+ but that is clocking very well. A mobile is half the price now too, but you dont appear to be building a budget system anyway :p

My best was 2.6 on air but thats not prime stable, 2.4 was easy to use. A IQYHA mobile are the best I think, they sell so cheaply now too. The best Ive seen on these forums was 2.9k using vapo I think, check weescott's sig.


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Yes budget this aint, but I'm looking to be sensible obviously - I *will* stick something newer in there eventually, and I'd like to not have to change EVERYTHING when I do ;)

My old system was stable to that speed for benching - it'd boot windows to 2.9ghz but not prime/3dmark stable - had I known it was such an acchievement I'd have taken a screenshot. Frankly I was irritated I couldn't hit 3ghz...
 
Anyone got any thoughts on a higher wattage pelt than a 226w? Powers not a problem, I'd just get a more powerful meanwell. Presumably theres no drawbacks so long as the w/c loop can remove the additional overhead?
 
Stacked pelts do work, AFAIK

You'd just have to make sure that the upper one was a Much higher wattage than the lower one...

I guess the uberest stack would be 320W->226W with relavant coldplates ofc :)


I wouldn't go for a Pelt unless I could gaurantee temps below -10 or so, as you really won't seen a performance increase above that.
 
Ahhhh... a man after my own heart (broke mine when I sold off my trusty XP-m's not so long ago!)

Yes the 2500/2600+ XP-m's will clock further than the Barton 3000+ as long as you get a good stepping - IQYHA and AQYHA are the ones to look out for (couple in the MM at the moment!) They are multi unlocked which makes it soooo much easier playing around than with the standard Bartons.

Pelt wise - yeah.

I ran the rig in my sig for a while and as you can see, the 226W pelts are monsters, and more than capable of dealing with a little XP-m - I would recommend the DD Maze 4-1 kits (you can get them all in a oner complete with pre-cut neoprene which makes the whole experience an aweful lot easier! - email me if you want the details!)

A 120.2 *should* be able to cope with a single pelt - the 226W - without too much problem - again - I have a link to a handy site that has all sorts of clever calculators, but unfortunately it is a competitor - so email me.

Ideally I'd go for the 226W on the CPU and a 172W on your GFX card (again - DD Maze is excellent and easy to use!) - However - you will definitely need to think about either another 120.2 or upgrading to the 120.3 or the 160 PA's

Pelt stacking is pretty much a non-starter - the energy dumped into the system by the first pelt will nearly always overwhelm the second which will take your system critical - even if you did get it right (ie a 172 -> 320) The actual gain in temps would not be worth it. I have come across a system using a massive cube of copper with 4 pelts attached to it (one on each side) - but TBH it just looked bling - not much gain to be had.

The basic setup can only really be bettered by chilling the water - that's another story - but again, shout if you want more info on that :D
 
I think we've got some stuff to discuss in PM ;)

I'm working shifts atm, but most grateful for your reply and will PM you asap :)

I still haven't decided what to buy rad/block etc yet (although I need to get my finger out as the case/psu arrived from OCUK today...) but as I've already got a mint 120.2 I'll be using that for sure - maybe just on the gfx card, with a 120.3 on the cpu. Who knows. I'll need to thrash it out.

Again, thanks for your pointers - I'll PM you asap :)
 
Okay, case and PSU are here (and mated together), just finalised what to fit where, and how to go about it.

To sum up:

Already own:
1x Thermochill HE120.2 rad

Bought last week (and have in my sticky paws):

1x Lian-Li PC V2000 PLUS Black Aluminium Full-Tower
1x Thermaltake PurePower 680W ATX2.0 Power Supply
1x Lian-Li TR-3B Black Aluminium Fan Controller
6x Scythe S-FLEX 1600RPM Ultra Quiet 120mm Fan
1x Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
1x Zalman ZM-RHS1 Silent VGA RAM Heatsink Kit


Bought Today:

1x ThermoChill PA120.3
1x DangerDen Bay Reservoir
1x 10ft 1/2" Tygon
1x Criticool PowerPlant II Pump relay card
1x Laing D5-Vario pump
1x DD Maze4-1 CPU TEC block
1x DD Maze4-1 GPU TEC block
1x MeanWell s320-12 TEC PSU
1x Swiftech Rev2 Relay & Mounting Kit for Meanwell
1x 226w Peltier
1x 120.2 ThermoChill FG120 Fan Grill
1x 120.3 ThermoChill FG120 Fan Grill

Thus, I should have a system fairly soon. The plan is (vaguely atm) to have:
Pump --> cpu --> 120.3 --> gpu --> 120.2 --> res --> pump. I'll figure out the finer details when the rest of the gear arrives.

Is anyone interested in me keeping a thread running of the 'project', and if so, in which forum area?
 
Yes please! Always fun to watch a project like this develope - just keep this thread going and remember to post lots of pics (especially the 'here are all the bits' and 'this is what it looks like all working' :D )

That's some mighty fine kit you've got there - you won't be disappointed! Your loop layout sounds absolutely fine - apart from putting the res before the pump to keep it filled (as you have) it really doesn't matter what order you put the bits in - my advice, as was given to me, lay it out in the case and work out what flows best - try to minimise the piping - that's a lot of bits to connect and it's very easy to make a 'spagetti' of it ;) - it'll all be obvious once you've got the bits in place.

What's the power relay for? If it's for the meanwell - are you sure it's rated high enough? I know the Criticool 2's are a lot better than the old ones which use to melt at the mere thought of electricity - but are you sure it's able to cope with the meanwell?

Edit: Just had a dig around - it appears that Criticool has ceased trading :( A real shame, but I did find this:
2 amp fuse (200 watts maximum draw)
Gutsy move using it for the Meanwell :eek:

Are you using the TEC for the GFX card or the CPU? And have you got the neoprene gasket kit? (did you go for the pre-cut set?)

Hope you've got lots of jubilee clips for those pipes to make double sure!

And where are the pictures... get snapping! :)

Edit: One last thing - since this is for a Socket A setup - you will probably be able to run the TEC straight off that Monster PSU of yours without issue - I know you've already got the Meanwell, but remember - a TEC without Power is an Insulator - without the Criticool, you run the risk of forgetting to switch it on and melting everything!
 
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