Penryn cores - still no native quad's ?

[KillBoY_UK]

I was under the impression that with the penryn gen of C2D's that there be a true quad chip (ie not just 2 duel core dies in one package) but i read some ware (can't remember where off the top of my head) that this won't be the case .

I recently upgraded from a e6420 to a e6600 , why did i go for the q6600 beucse i was under the impressions that the penryn quad would be a native quad and so less power hungry and would most likely put out less heat than a 2 die quad. So im wondering will a 45nm penryn quad give me 4ghz with water that what im hoping

 

[jaykay]

The penryn will give out less power becuase of its 45nm process if this meansit hit 4ghz is another matter. Most quads around hit 3.3 on air and 3.6 on water. So 4ghz may be posssible.

 

[wuyanxu]

so is 45nm the only thing penryn is different from "Kentsfield"??

if so, would a Kentsfield running at 3Ghz be the same as Penryn at 3Ghz?

in another word, has the architecture changed in Penryn?

 

[jaykay]

Theres been some tweaks, not as much as barcelona, but intel think its enough, plus with its higher clock speed they think it will beat AMD.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

so is 45nm the only thing penryn is different from "Kentsfield"??

if so, would a Kentsfield running at 3Ghz be the same as Penryn at 3Ghz?

in another word, has the architecture changed in Penryn?

theres more cache as well (6mb on the duels and 12mb on the quads), im slighly disapinted with the OC i have 3.55ghz with 1.45vcore on air (OCZ Vindicator cooler on installed mmy water setup yet) so i rather hoping i can get 4ghz min on a Penryn quad

 

[stickroad]

theres more cache as well (6mb on the duels and 12mb on the quads), im slighly disapinted with the OC i have 3.55ghz with 1.45vcore on air (OCZ Vindicator cooler on installed mmy water setup yet) so i rather hoping i can get 4ghz min on a Penryn quad

Seriously how much speed do you want?

Be happy with what you got geesh.

 

[truebluecfc]

im slighly disapinted with the OC i have 3.55ghz with 1.45vcore on air

You what? thats an extremely good OC man, i wish my E6600 was that good i mean mine needs 1.45 to get to 3.15GHz and only stable at about 3.45GHz @ 1.5 Vcore, how much speed do you want/need?

 

[Corasik]

why did i go for the q6600 beucse i was under the impressions that the penryn quad would be a native quad and so less power hungry and would most likely put out less heat than a 2 die quad.

There isnt much difference between a native quad, and a 2 die quad in terms of power usage. Overall similar numbers of transistors etc.

AMD's next gen chips should have more advanced cool&quiet, which lets them shut down cores independantly, unlike Core 2 Duo's (or Quads), which can only set the clockspeed for all cores at one time.

Not sure if Penryn will impliment the next gen of speedstep, which will allow each core to be clocked separately (or even shut down when not in use for a massive power saving). But that certainly on the cards for the next gen intel processors. Penryn's are basically a process shrink, with some re-optimization of the instruction decoders, and a full version of SSE4. (Core 2's have more than SSE3, but dont have full SSE4, even though CPU-Z says it does, at least according to intel).

Anyway, Penryns process shrink will certainly reduce the wattage, and probably allow better clocks. Intel themselves are hoping for 4Ghz 'stock' chips based on the 45nm process, although not in the initial release.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

just seems Lazy for intel not to do a native quad , AMD got lazy with the hammers and look what happend there lol

 

[ergonomics]

just seems Lazy for intel not to do a native quad , AMD got lazy with the hammers and look what happend there lol

i would still bet intel's chips will be faster though at the stock for both of them, and i would assume theyre going for amazing overclocks again.

 

[lay-z-boy]

just seems Lazy for intel not to do a native quad , AMD got lazy with the hammers and look what happend there lol

Do you have any proof that 'native' quads are better?

There are many advantages for DUAL (not 'duel', they aren't having a fight) die quads.

If they make it all one package there are many problems that arise.

1. Bigger Die
2. More expensive to make and thus the cost is passed onto the consumer and multiplied
3. More expensive to make + rd + etc= less money made
4. more wafers used
5. separate production line required for the die
6. revised interconnects will cost allot of r&d money
7. if 1,2 or 3 cores are not functional Intel have to throw away the whole chip, with separate dies, if one out of the 4 does not function then they replace faulty die that the core is on

Calling AMD lazy is just plain ignorant.

 

[MumboJumbo]

[/list]Calling AMD lazy is just plain ignorant.

Didn't he call intel lazy?

Though im not sure what the "Hammers" are. I keep thinking about westham

 

[lay-z-boy]

I think he is reffering to k8.

AMD got lazy

just seems Lazy for intel

Called both lazy, because of course he is an engineering and sales master.

 

[Azza]

The penryn will give out less power becuase of its 45nm process if this meansit hit 4ghz is another matter. Most quads around hit 3.3 on air and 3.6 on water. So 4ghz may be posssible.

Just been looking on coolaler forums and there is a Yorkfield overclocked from 2.33 (stock) to 3.2 on air @ 1.25V.

 

[Drazic]

Penryn is a replacment of Yonna and Memorom.

Penryn is a family name to the new CPU under the 45NM die srink which non are out in RRP as of yet!

It's cooler, slightly faster, has a few new insructions but its not differnt to the arcutecher on urrent Conroe, Alandale, Yonnha and Memrom.

The stuff thats coming latter in time is faster and totaly new and will be Native. Some of it is out under the NDA tests already

 

[mattyrigby00]

on coolaler forums they showed pics of engineering samples of the desktop 45nm processors, its not an english site so theres question marks everywhere except on 2 sections, and the titles on screenshots etc are in a different language but heres the topic which i found due to searching the 1st page for "45", lol: http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=158813

 

[jaykay]

Why is it the chinese or japanese always get them first?

 

[lay-z-boy]

Techie land over there.

 

[Drazic]

Where they all go to one of the main Intel HQ's. Plus all the big names in testing and clocking there

 

[clocka]

i believe the real intel quads are out in q2 2008 arent they? 45nm versions of current cpu's would be nice, should give higher overclock and less £££ on bills.