Penryn in Q4, Info on "Nehalem" & AMD's AM3

simonnance · 26 Jun 2007 at 13:51

THG said:
According to industry sources, Intel in fact aims to announce the first members of its 45 nm processor family this year, most likely late in Q4. The first Penryn CPU to be available on the market will be the quad-core Yorkfield, followed by the dual-core Wolfdale early in Q1 2008. Clock speeds will be inching up and hit 3.33 GHz, we heard.

Information about Intel’s second generation 45 nm processor also has begun trickling in: Gainstown, expected to be available with up to eight cores, will be using a dual-die design (with up to 2 x 4 cores) as well as the flip-chip LGA8 package. The die size will climb substantially from currently 143 mm2 of the 65 nm Core 2 Duo and an expected 107 mm2 of the upcoming 45 nm Penryn generation to 191 mm2, due to larger caches as well as an integrated memory controller, which will be one major factor that is responsible for an increased pin count: Gainstown processors will have 1366 pins, up from 775 in the current (desktop) Core 2 Duos.

THG said:
AMD schedules to launch its 45nm process socket AM3 family processors in the second half of 2008. The processors will support HyperTransport 3.0 and will have a built-in DDR2/DDR3 memory controller. The processors will be backward compatible with the previous AM2 and AM2+ socket motherboards, according to sources at motherboard makers.

So Penryn slips to Q4'07/Q1'08, giving Agena a bit of breathing room to prove itself, Nehalem will be on a different socket to C2D/Penryn, while AMD's 45nm part with DDR3 support will be backwards compatible with the existing AM2 socket.

End of the line for Socket 775......

Azza · 26 Jun 2007 at 14:00

If the Penryn step down has slipped then they will probaiblly push back Nehalem so it will be even longer until that comes along.

NathanE · 26 Jun 2007 at 14:10

Those Nehalem dies seem very large. I hope Intel have thought that through... as I can see yields being crap unless they've got some fab' process breakthrough in the works...

**** Penryn and "Agena"... I'm holding out for Nehalem :cool:

jaykay · 26 Jun 2007 at 14:17

Well its probally becuase its got 12mb of cache for the quad core.
Im waiting for agena, plus as its AMD servers will get it first hopefully a few reviews will test it.

JediFragger · 26 Jun 2007 at 18:20

Looks like Nehalem will be my next platform, but a cheap Q6600 in the meantime might tempt me

snowdog · 26 Jun 2007 at 18:22

Nooo end of 775 :mad:

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I hate socket changes.

Ahwell hope it'll be nice and fast.

Sparky · 26 Jun 2007 at 19:02

snowdog said:
Nooo end of 775 .
I hate socket changes.

Ahwell hope it'll be nice and fast.

Think of all the lovely 775 C2Ds selling cheap on the MM

Sarduk · 28 Jun 2007 at 01:13

Would it be worth holding out for a socket post-775? I am concerned about upgradability.

Azza · 28 Jun 2007 at 01:27

Jamie Edwards said:
Would it be worth holding out for a socket post-775? I am concerned about upgradability.

Well in two years after Nehalem Intel are planning another new architecture and die shrink which may mean a new socket is needed then.

Vertigo · 28 Jun 2007 at 07:47

simonnance said:
while AMD's 45nm part with DDR3 support will be backwards compatible with the existing AM2 socket.

Big deal. I'd wager that the vast majority of people still on AMD have S939. AM2 post-dates C2D so most people upgrading at this point would have jumpted to Intel.

melbourne720 · 28 Jun 2007 at 09:53

I wonder if the delay in Penryn will affect the 22/7 Intel price cuts?

JediFragger · 28 Jun 2007 at 10:13

Vertigo1 said:
Big deal. I'd wager that the vast majority of people still on AMD have S939. AM2 post-dates C2D so most people upgrading at this point would have jumpted to Intel.

Yup, hell of a mistake that imo (pretty much abandoning S939)

richardbirks · 28 Jun 2007 at 10:27

JediFragger said:
Yup, hell of a mistake that imo (pretty much abandoning S939)

While still making sempr0ns for 754... what the hell were they thinking?

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CrimsonAvenger · 28 Jun 2007 at 10:32

Vertigo1 said:
Big deal. I'd wager that the vast majority of people still on AMD have S939. AM2 post-dates C2D so most people upgrading at this point would have jumpted to Intel.

Spot on

Rezident · 28 Jun 2007 at 10:50

melbourne720 said:
I wonder if the delay in Penryn will affect the 22/7 Intel price cuts?

Shhh. Don't even joke about that, I think everyone is banking on them at this stage.

melbourne720 · 28 Jun 2007 at 11:33

Rezident said:
Shhh. Don't even joke about that, I think everyone is banking on them at this stage.

I'm deadly serious, what is driving the price cuts if there won't be any new chips for 4-5 months?

* PANIC * PANIC * PANIC * PANIC * PANIC * PANIC * PANIC *

ergonomics · 28 Jun 2007 at 12:13

richardbirks said:
While still making sempr0ns for 754... what the hell were they thinking?

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think of all the hundreds of thousands they sell to offices and workstation pc's. trust me they rake it in from that market.

simonnance · 28 Jun 2007 at 16:33

Vertigo1 said:
Big deal. I'd wager that the vast majority of people still on AMD have S939. AM2 post-dates C2D so most people upgrading at this point would have jumpted to Intel.

AM2 DOES however predate all Penryn capable or 1333Mhz capable mobos (IIRC), while Penryn is the end of the line for socket 775 full stop..... so £150-£200+ spent on a top range socket 775 mobo will lose its value very quickly compared to that spent on an equivilant AM2 or AM2+ mobo.

Thus people decinding whether to upgrade their C2D & P965/975X platform to Penryn & P35/X38, or Phenom & AM2/AM2+ may well decide to do the latter as the money invested into the motherboard retains its value a lot better, making the latter upgrade to AMD 45nm (codename) cheaper than an upgrade to Nelahem by a good £100-200+.

Not all of us have tons of cash to throw around you know....

Gerard · 28 Jun 2007 at 16:35

Another bloody socket change, :rolleyes:

Vertigo · 28 Jun 2007 at 18:13

simonnance said:
Thus people decinding whether to upgrade their C2D & P965/975X platform to Penryn & P35/X38, or Phenom & AM2/AM2+ may well decide to do the latter as the money invested into the motherboard retains its value a lot better, making the latter upgrade to AMD 45nm (codename) cheaper than an upgrade to Nelahem by a good £100-200+.

Valid points but I feel that anyone upgrading at this point in time would be mad to go for AMD over Intel as the latter have a big performance advantage over the former and the early reports of Phenom performance don't look to upset things much.

If you take that as a given (assumption I know

) then the only real reason to go with AMD now is if you already have an AM2 platform and the point I was making was that there won't be that many people on this anyway. If you have to change your motherboard, Intel is a far far safer bet right now.