People pulling out of junctions... RANT!

agw_01 said:
Don't see why that matters, but it was a 30.

But don't worry, there were no houses/schools nearby. Just an industrial estate. It was around 8:30pm and the road was clear. No other traffic apart from me and this HGV.
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Well it does matter then, had you been doing 30, he would have had plenty of time to get out into the road in that gap.

I'll admit to having pulled out into gaps that "should" have been big enough, only to be caught up and then have someone up my rear trying to do far more than the limit.

They are just as annoying as people who pull out on you IMO.
 
Oh yeah, I agree totally.

But I could see him a good 3+ seconds before he even started moving. If he'd have been paying attention, he would have looked both ways before pulling out and seen me "making progress".

When people pull out me when I'm doing 30, it doesn't bother me half as much (if at all) as if it happens when I'm over the speed limit. It just winds me up how people can seem to have no grasp on co-ordination at all.
 
agw_01 said:
Don't see why that matters, but it was a 30.

But don't worry, there were no houses/schools nearby. Just an industrial estate. It was around 8:30pm and the road was clear. No other traffic apart from me and this HGV.
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If your gonna break the speed limit BE prepared to expect people pull out on you at junctions as they only interpret your distance not your speed.

Its your responsibility.
 
johnnyfive said:
If your gonna break the speed limit BE prepared to expect people pull out on you at junctions as they only interpret your distance not your speed.

Its your responsibility.
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I do expect people to pull out on me, just not 20 tonne HGV's that take an age to get out of the junction and then get upto speed. :)
 
SDK^ said:
It's even more annoying when someone pulls out in front you when it's perfectly clear behind you and then slowly turns into the next junction just up the road :rolleyes:
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That's my biggest pet hate.

I drive quite a bit at night when there's nothing else on the roads but you always get someone nearly breaking their neck to be out of a junction before you pass even on empty NSL roads.
 
agw_01 said:
Don't see why that matters, but it was a 30.
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It does matter because you were going over 60% quicker than you should have been. Therefore the lorry driver who pulled out on you had far less chance to see you and estimate whether he could pull out safely or not. If this was a 60 limit then it is something he should have adjusted to and have been expecting. As it was a 30 limit though it isn't.

agw_01 said:
When people pull out me when I'm doing 30, it doesn't bother me half as much (if at all) as if it happens when I'm over the speed limit. It just winds me up how people can seem to have no grasp on co-ordination at all.
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To be honest, it should be the other way round. If you're within the limit (and the law) they have no excuse for not seeing you. If you're well over the limit however then other drivers have far less chance of seeing you, and more chance of incorrectly estimating your speed.

agw_01 said:
I do expect people to pull out on me, just not 20 tonne HGV's that take an age to get out of the junction and then get upto speed. :)
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Why not? What is it about HGV's that make you not expect them to pull out?
 
Trojan said:
It does matter because you were going over 60% quicker than you should have been. Therefore the lorry driver who pulled out on you had far less chance to see you and estimate whether he could pull out safely or not. If this was a 60 limit then it is something he should have adjusted to and have been expecting. As it was a 30 limit though it isn't.
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Well the HGV driver must have been retarded to not see me coming up quickly. I find it pretty easy to judge the speed of approaching cars and decide whether it's safe to pull out or not. Ok, so I'll give the driver last night the benefit of the doubt, but the one this morning was just a moron.

To be honest, it should be the other way round. If you're within the limit (and the law) they have no excuse for not seeing you. If you're well over the limit however then other drivers have far less chance of seeing you, and more chance of incorrectly estimating your speed.
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Like I said above, if I can estimate the speed of an oncoming car and judge whether it's safe to pull out, then there's no reason why other people shouldn't be able to. Yes, I was speeding, but doesn't it say in the highway code that...

not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.
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Why not? What is it about HGV's that make you not expect them to pull out?
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Because it takes them a lot longer to get out of the junction and then upto speed.
 
I'm not going to get into a huge discussion regarding this as a) I'm at work and b) It's Friday and I can't really be bothered.

To briefly sum up my point - you were doing well over the speed limit, and therefore lose the right to complain about if/when people pull out on you. If you're going over the speed limit and 'making progress' as you say, it's your responsibility to make sure you do this in a safe manner and this includes when coming up to junctions; slowing down if you aren't certain that other drivers have seen you.

If you had an accident due to someone pulling out in front of you whilst you were doing 50 in a 30, I have no doubt that you'd not only get done for it (by the police), but that you'd also have issues with apportioning blame on the insurance front.
 
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Trojan said:
I'm not going to get into a huge discussion regarding this as a) I'm at work and b) It's Friday and I can't really be bothered.
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Good, because neither can I :)

Why this thread had to turn into the whole 'OMG speed' thing is beyond me.

Maybe if you were actually there, you would have seen the view that I had of the road and the general conditions regarding the situation.

Now don't get me wrong, I regret doing 50mph and am not very proud with the way I acted, but if Mr HGV had been using his eyes properly, he would have seen me coming along and not pulled out.

It's not about me speeding, it's about blind numpties on the road who feel like they can do whatever they want.

I'm going to leave this thread now and let the 'OcUK Speeding Investigation Squad' take over and throw whatever accusations or thoughts they have on the matter around.
 
The issue of speed has come about as you were having a rant about a situation that you have at least partial blame for. Have you thought that maybe the guy who pulled out on you did see you but didn't realise you were going so fast? I know I've done that myself more than once.

As for being anti-speeding or other such crap I'm not and far from it as I regularly go far quicker than the limit as long as conditions allow.

Anyway, I'll leave you to rant. Just try not to get so het up about when others on the road make mistakes, especially when you yourself are a contributing factor :)
 
Try to see it from the other point of view, too, of the person trying to pull out onto the road you're on.


Every morning on the way to work I have to cross over 2 busy roads to get the way I need to go. To not cross these roads would require me to take a 4 mile de-tour.

Most days, the only way I can get across and turn right is to pull out into the first available gap in traffic approaching from the right, then, sit there and hope that someone coming from the left will let me out. If I wait for a gap both ways in the traffic before pulling out, I will never get out.

There's always traffic at the roundabouts at either end of the roads, so whether you slow down a touch to let me out or not, you're still going to have to stop at the roundabout at the end.



The same thing happens in the town centre when I'm trying to come out of a parking space on the high street. As I'm crawling out, people will actually swerve round me, sometimes half way onto the other side of the road, before they will let me out. I've been sat there for well over 2 minutes in the past, creeping more and more out into the main road, until practically my whole car was out on the road, and people were still going round me! Slow down and let me pull out! They even do it when the traffic lights that are 50ft further down the road are on red - they'll swerve round me and then stop directly behind me, again preventing me from pulling out!



It's not always the fault of the person who's trying to pull out - it is also quite often the fault of the person on the main road, too!
 
agw_01 said:
Now don't get me wrong, I regret doing 50mph and am not very proud with the way I acted, but if Mr HGV had been using his eyes properly, he would have seen me coming along and not pulled out.
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He probably couldnt hear you and humans aren't very good at judging acceleration. He probably assumed you had pulled away normally and hence thought he had plenty of time?

You've just said you accelerated 'hard' from standstill, at traffic lights, to 50mph and then he pulled out 100yards away. Not the usual trundling down a A road at 50mph and someone pulling out on you is it.

Things don't always go your way in driving, best thing is to anticipate in a proactive way rather than reactive.
 
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Rich JR said:
When driving or riding especially, its best to asume everybody is going to pull out :(
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Exactly what i do now, enyone else find a majority of hampshire drivers consiferablly bad lol? its a daily reocurrance for me getting pulled out on from people with their 50p cars thinking they have a veyron and can beat a bike lol, its good im not an angry person lol
 
I find it quite hard to judge other cars speed when at night.

Daytime I agree it's not too hard but at night I just cannot seem to do it very well.
 
Tesla said:
I find it quite hard to judge other cars speed when at night.

Daytime I agree it's not too hard but at night I just cannot seem to do it very well.
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well it can be so difficult to accurately judge speed and distances when looking in your mirror, there is legislation in place so every car has the words "objects may be closer than they appear" etched on said mirror.

i think it's unwarranted for AGW to criticise the trucker when he was travelling at almost double the limit.
 
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