Peugeot 607
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That 607 looks very dated already.
The new Mondeo would be a better bet. Obviously slightly more expensive, but not too much more.
For example,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2487286.htm
Go to a BCA auction and you'll get a bargain due to Blue Chip companies getting rid of company car stock at the 3 yr old mark.
The new Mondeo would be a better bet. Obviously slightly more expensive, but not too much more.
For example,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2487286.htm
Go to a BCA auction and you'll get a bargain due to Blue Chip companies getting rid of company car stock at the 3 yr old mark.
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Its not my choice of French barge, that'd be a C6 - There are 2 on PH hovering around the £11.5k mark for '07 plate cars 
Thats over £2000 for a poverty spec car with half the engine!
It may look dated but as I said, you are not paying for the image.
Its not my choice of French barge, that'd be a C6 - There are 2 on PH hovering around the £11.5k mark for '07 plate cars
Agree, but at the moment they havent yet dropped over the cliff price wise like we all expected and this car will go for closer to £4,000.
Simply incredible depreciation; if that's not a persuasive argument against buying a French barge from new I don't know what is!
1700kg with a 3.0 V6, I hope fuel economy isn't a concern!
That Mondeo isn't really comparable though is it, it's got a 1000cc less and 2 less cylinders ...I haven't even bothered to look at how much less power and torque but it'll be quite a lot I'm sure.
It's also poverty spec, with cloth seats and too much silver plastic ...and a manual gearbox. By comparison the 607 is offering a lot really, I can't say too much about them other than a taxi driver in Leeuwarden in the Netherlands drives one and I've been in it probably 7 or 8 times and it's really rather comfortable and quite spacious in the back, it rides better than I expected, his is a diesel not a V6 petrol but the rest of the car is much the same, that however is the limit of my 607 experience. Better than Vectra or Octavia or for that matter a Mondeo to ride in, especailly in the back.
I feel it is ...almost my duty to point out, that for a little more dosh you 'can' infact drive something like this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2501061.htm ...I can't actually find a V6 XJ for as little as I paid for mine that looks like the sort of car you might actually want to buy, they seem to have gone up in value if anything, amazingly. The one I linked has heated seats too, most '03 and 0'4 ones actually don't, since it was an option.
Also I notice the same company has http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2246481.htm an XJ in Ultraviolet, the pictures do not do it justice, it's both very rare and a beautifully striking colour that really looks good on an XJ, brings the lines out beautifully, you do actually pay a slight premium for that colour so far as I can tell but I'd love an Ultraviolet XJR myself. Also the Ultraviolet one has the mesh sports grill, which looks much, much better than the ugly slatted SE one, my SE has the mesh grill on it too, and if the car hadn't come with it I'd have changed it myself as I don't like the standard SE grill.
The 3.0 V6 XJ uses a slightly modified version of Ford's Duratec V6 ...it's actually the same engine as the ST220 uses but with added variable valve timing and a different exhaust system, it's very much quieter in the big Jag as you might imagine but still makes a very similar but much more muffled noise when you boot it, on paper the Jag version of the engine puts out about 245bhp.
It's also poverty spec, with cloth seats and too much silver plastic ...and a manual gearbox. By comparison the 607 is offering a lot really, I can't say too much about them other than a taxi driver in Leeuwarden in the Netherlands drives one and I've been in it probably 7 or 8 times and it's really rather comfortable and quite spacious in the back, it rides better than I expected, his is a diesel not a V6 petrol but the rest of the car is much the same, that however is the limit of my 607 experience. Better than Vectra or Octavia or for that matter a Mondeo to ride in, especailly in the back.
I feel it is ...almost my duty to point out, that for a little more dosh you 'can' infact drive something like this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2501061.htm ...I can't actually find a V6 XJ for as little as I paid for mine that looks like the sort of car you might actually want to buy, they seem to have gone up in value if anything, amazingly. The one I linked has heated seats too, most '03 and 0'4 ones actually don't, since it was an option.
Also I notice the same company has http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2246481.htm an XJ in Ultraviolet, the pictures do not do it justice, it's both very rare and a beautifully striking colour that really looks good on an XJ, brings the lines out beautifully, you do actually pay a slight premium for that colour so far as I can tell but I'd love an Ultraviolet XJR myself. Also the Ultraviolet one has the mesh sports grill, which looks much, much better than the ugly slatted SE one, my SE has the mesh grill on it too, and if the car hadn't come with it I'd have changed it myself as I don't like the standard SE grill.
The 3.0 V6 XJ uses a slightly modified version of Ford's Duratec V6 ...it's actually the same engine as the ST220 uses but with added variable valve timing and a different exhaust system, it's very much quieter in the big Jag as you might imagine but still makes a very similar but much more muffled noise when you boot it, on paper the Jag version of the engine puts out about 245bhp.
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... or £950 more when you turn up to look at the 607 and the guy says "Sorry mate that was a typo on Piston Heads. It quite clearly shows £5850 on the photos."
To be honest the fact that the guy is trying to run a business and can't even be bothered to brush the shift key occasionally or use a full stop would be enough to put me off unless the place was on my doorstep.
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Mondeo is a 607 competitor?
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You do realise the Edge is absolutely bottom of the range? As crap as Peugeot are the 607 is at least 'intended' to be a luxury car.
Arun are noted for selling mediocre Jags for top top top money, you might as well buy one from a main dealer and get a decent warranty if you are paying Arun prices.
As for that 607 just go to an auction and buy one cheap, because the best of them is an electrical lottery so you might as well just find the cheapest one you can and then get ready for the breakdowns.
I wasn't recommending Arun particularly, I don't know anything about them other than that they have been selling Jags for years and do tend to be a little more expensive than most. I just happened to pick one that they were selling initially, then I spotted the Ultraviolet XJ6 in their stock list so I linked that too.
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It's illustrative. I'm sure you lot can a wander around a BCA auction on a Black Horse / Lex day and find a car with some toys. The auction values for mainstream ex-fleet / lease cars can be pretty extraordinary. Besides, Ford have sought to lift the current Mondeo more upmarket in terms of comfort and quality. Inside a Titanium X with leather really isn't a bad place to be.
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As per my previous post, this will change hands for closer to £4000.
You can't say that car xxxx will be cheaper at an auction, so is every car including these.
Are jags really more reliable? I know that the 607 was built in a dedicated factory and I ran a 2.2 derv for two years and 60,000 without it missing a beat, something a new 530d or new 9-3 ttid could manage.
be fair to the ford and compare like for like mate!
As illustrative as a 318i ES to show 335i M Sport pricing.
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^^^ Apples to oranges.
I work on the assumption that most people have enough initiative and intelligence to be able to do their own research and get a feel for pricing themselves without them having to be spoon fed a 50 step process and every minutiae of detail via the internet.
I'm sure the OP is able to make his own evaluation, trot down to an auction and make his decision, particularly when he's going to be the one spending the money and driving the car. Unlike a few too many people on this boards, I'm not from the 'Thou must do as I say in this thread' brigade. It's about options and possibilities. I'm sure the OP can assess what factors are most important to him.
He pays his money, he takes his choice.
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Well they aren't unreliable any more, not like they used to be. But I'm not going to say you'll never have problems with an ageing and complex luxury car like an XJ. Having said that if you are going to get any issues with a Jag it'll be electrical niggles in all likelihood, but the same is true of the 607 ...however the Jags aren't notorious for it, the 607 is from what I have heard. Mechanically they are pretty damn solid though.
As it happens, one of the front parking sensors has decided to be faulty on mine fairly recently, meaning at parking sensor enabling speed, which I think is 8mph or less I get lots of annoying beeping from the front sensors even though there is nothing there ...so sitting in traffic with the car in drive is annoying and slowing down for a junction or what not, however ...the car will 'intelligently' disable all the sensors after it's allowed to go nuts for a bit and then you have no parking sensors on a car that’s near as makes no difference 5.1m long, I have already managed to tap a wall on a cold dark night in a tight carp park.
They can of course be forced on and off with a switch, but if you force them back on for parking you'll get loads of false alarms from the front, the back has a different tone though and seems to work correctly, but the control unit for the system will still force all of them off because the front is faulty after a while, it's likely just one of the front sensor units that's actually malfunctioning though.
Apparently the electronic park brake like's to throw fault messages up too, although I have never actually had that on either of mine, it's quite common though it would seem from looking at the forums. You have an electric motor that controls the parking brake, also the suspension has quite a lot of electronics on it, the air pump is the main point of failure but there is a control system for it that monitors ...pretty well everything and adjusts it accordingly.
So there is a lot to go wrong, the cabin electrics like windows, seats, blinds, steering wheel, pedals etc ...seem to be ok from what I have read over my ownership period, it's usually the funkier stuff that goes wrong. Of course one problem being that brake and suspensions faults can actually strand you, since the suspension is controlled electronically and a fault with the park brake might mean you can't disengage it, thus you can't go anywhere. I've heard that rear seat entertainment systems can play up on them too, but not many cars have that option fitted and even then it's usually long wheel base cars that do, and to be honest, nice as they are I wouldn't necessarily recommend those as daily drivers as they really are massively long, too long really.
Stuff like this is what you will get with Jags mostly.
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A Golf weights more than 1700kg, think your looking at the cars towing weight.
Im waiting for someone to suggest a cat-d roadster next!
Err not it doesnt!