PhD = real doctor?

gjrc said:
why do Dr. who become surgeons go back to being Mr?
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Cos there not doctors and the fun and games of most job politics is present on the medical practice. My consultant was adamant he was called Mr rather than doctor. I guess he has a bone to chew with Doctors calling themselves Dr without a Phd.

A Phd isnt a degree as such where you learn set material, is should be some sort of research project where you produce a paper of your work and hence contribute to an area in your field of understanding.
 
Why does it mean Doctor of Philosophy? ie Doctor of Philosophy in for example Neuroscience. Is it because they deal with the more abstract, theoretical stuff in Neuroscience at that level?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhD says it all.

Also re: the earlier question about Professorial positions, a Professor is generally the holder of a Professorial Chair at a Higher Educational establishment. These are generally only awarded to senior academics with a number of publications to their name.
 
Surfer said:
Why does it mean Doctor of Philosophy? ie Doctor of Philosophy in for example Neuroscience. Is it because they deal with the more abstract, theoretical stuff in Neuroscience at that level?
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because a couple of thousand years ago all learned subjects were bunched under 'philosophy', including science, medicine etc...
philosophy was the study of truth in whatever endeavour was worthy.
 
DAVEM said:
I know what a PhD is, what I was getting as it do people see them as the same, of equal standing if you like. I'm studying towards my PhD so I'm certainly not slagging of PhD's but I must admit it would be interesting to see if people view them the same.

EDIT: Thought people might find this interesting, MD's who are accepted to the college of surgeons have to give up Dr and go back to using Mr, apparently it goes back to the days when it was the college of surgeons and barbers (lol)!

Thanks

David
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A medical doctor is 5 years training, a PhD will require an BSc etc + often a Masters, then 3-5 years of further training.
 
aardvark said:
because a couple of thousand years ago all learned subjects were bunched under 'philosophy', including science, medicine etc...
philosophy was the study of truth in whatever endeavour was worthy.
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Also there are new PhD type awards like the DBA (Doctor of business and administration) or DEng :cool:


On another note I never understood why people from Oxbridge get an "free" Masters after they've graduated, surely this is not on at all and should be banned
 
It tends to be the letters after your name which are most important.
Especially if they say C.***, meaning chartered member of a professional body.

Back in the labs at uni I remember a bored discussion about adding additional academic titles above professor. We came up with sensae, guru and finally oracle.

I'd quite enjoy being a G.Phys, I think. (M.Phys for now, but I'm working on it. :D )
 
Pumpkinstew said:
It tends to be the letters after your name which are most important.
Especially if they say C.***, meaning chartered member of a professional body.

Back in the labs at uni I remember a bored discussion about adding additional academic titles above professor. We came up with sensae, guru and finally oracle.

I'd quite enjoy being a G.Phys, I think. (M.Phys for now, but I'm working on it. :D )
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Pfft undergraduate masters! get a proper masters! :p
 
DAVEM said:
On another note I never understood why people from Oxbridge get a "free" Masters after they've graduated, surely this is not on at all and should be banned
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Do you know anyone who has studied at either Oxford or Cambridge? Those Universities didn't get to be at the top of the academic tree by the students sitting about in the bar. They thoroughly deserve their "free Masters" degrees.
 
Shackley said:
Do you know anyone who has studied at either Oxford or Cambridge? Those Universities didn't get to be at the top of the academic tree by the students sitting about in the bar. They thoroughly deserve their "free Masters" degrees.
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I know 15 people that have gone/going to Oxbridge. Very few of them deserve/d the 'free' masters :P
 
Shackley said:
Do you know anyone who has studied at either Oxford or Cambridge? Those Universities didn't get to be at the top of the academic tree by the students sitting about in the bar. They thoroughly deserve their "free Masters" degrees.
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Yes I know lots of people who have been and no they do not deserve their free masters at all (as most of them accept). If their courses where so much superior to the other universities then they would never accept PhD students from any other university would they.

Take a look at the course outlines at similar courses at Cambridge and Bristol for example, they cover almost identical material! :rolleyes:
 
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