Philips Diamond Vision

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Hi all,

I've seen a few people reccomend these bulbs over the Osram Nightbreakers, and was wondering if anybody has a set, and could giv any feedback on performance?

They're priced higher than Nightbreakers, and obviously carry a bit more of a "Xenon/HID" effect to them, my concern being they "look" good, but don't really perform!

So... any reviews from anyone on here personally?

Phil.
 
Are you sure you don't mean the Xtreme Power? They're the flagship Philips bulbs and way ahead of the Osarms IMHO
 
Are you sure you don't mean the Xtreme Power? They're the flagship Philips bulbs and way ahead of the Osarms IMHO

No, deffinately the Diamond Vision, from looking at pics/vids they seem to be HID wannabe kits, only still in Halogen form (I.E no Ballasts etc).
 
/edit - It seems after reading a couple of other forums, Diamond Vision are 5000k temperature, and then there are "Blue Vision" which are 4000k.
 
I wouldn't have said so, if you apply the same to these buls as you do with HID's, then the 4000k set *should* give out more light than the 5000k sets.
Hmm, strange... Normally if the colour temp is higher then more light is produced as the bulb is overdriven. This is with tungsten bulbs. HID/HMI's are totally different as you don't have a heated piece of metal in them like tungsten/halogen bulbs...

Of coarse some manufacturers cheat and use a blue filter on the bulbs which gives a higher colour temp and reduces light output... I'd avoid these if I were you.
 
These bulbs seem different to ordinary Halogen bulbs, i think they must be filled with a different sort of gas maybe...
 
These bulbs seem different to ordinary Halogen bulbs, i think they must be filled with a different sort of gas maybe...
That's possible, unfortunately car bulbs don't tend to have much information about them I've found... Your best bet would be to have a look here:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=87

EDIT: Found this on there:
"For reference, here's manufacturer data*for output and lifespan at 13.2v for standard-wattage H1 bulbs.*The numbers here are a composite of values applicable to the products of*the big three makers (Osram-Sylvania, Philips-Narva, Tungsram-GE). Each*manufacturer's product in each category is slightly different but not*significantly so. *I picked H1-type bulbs for this comparison, and while*the absolute numbers differ with different bulb types, the relative*comparison patterns hold good for whatever bulb type we consider (H4, 9006, whatever).*Lifespan is given as Tc, the hour figure at which 63.2 percent of the*bulbs have failed.

H1 (regular normal):

1550 lumens, 650 hours

Long Life (or "HalogenPlus+")

1460 lumens, 1200 hours

Ultra Long Life (or "DayLight")

1430 lumens, 3000 hours

Plus-30 High Efficacy (CPI BrightLight, Osram Super, Sylvania Xtravision, Narva Rangepower,*Tungsram High Output, Philips Premium):

1700 lumens, 350 hours

Plus-50 Ultra High Efficacy (CPI Super Bright Light, Philips VisionPlus, Osram Silverstar, Narva*Rangepower+50, Tungsram Megalicht, but not Sylvania Silverstar):*

1750 lumens, 350 hours

Plus-80/90 Mega High Efficacy (Philips Xtreme Power, Osram Night Breaker):

1780 lumens, 340 hours

Blue coated 'extra white' (CPI Bright Light Blue, Osram CoolBlue, Narva Rangepower Blue, Philips*BlueVision or CrystalVision, Tungsram Super Blue or EuroBlue, Sylvania*Silverstar or Silverstar Ultra,*also PIAA, Hoen, Nokya, Polarg, etc):

1380 lumens, 250 hours

So that's the pattern for how lifespan and light output are related. It's worth noting that the lumen differences are not the extent of the performance differences. The filament changes required to make a long-life bulb tend to reduce the beam focus, which shortens seeing distance. And, the light color is less white and more brown. But lifespan is lengthened. The opposite filament changes are made to create the "Plus" (+30, +50, +80, +90) or Osram "Hyper" type bulbs: Lifespan is reduced, but the beam focus is better so seeing distance is longer. Light color is whiter and less brown. The takeaway message here is that even if all the filaments put out exactly the same amount of light — the same lumens from a long life, a +30, a +50, a regular, an ultralong-life, etc. — the headlamp performance and appearance with the long-life bulb would still be inferior compared to the same headlamp performance and appearance with a regular, or +30, or +50, or +80, or Hyper bulb.

It doesn't mention the Diamond bulb tho...
 
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I had Osram Nightbreakers in my Toledo until last week. They only had a lifespan of around 6 months and regardless of the free replacements from Osram, that wasn't acceptable to me.

Anyhow, I'm now running with a set of Philips Diamond Vision bulbs (H7). I compared the 2 (Nightbreaker vs DV) before completely removing the Osrams and the DV bulbs look identical to HID bulbs. The Osrams looked totally yellow compared to the DV.

They obviously don't have the same level of brightness as a HID setup but they are still good all the same. I've driven on some unlit A roads since and the DV bulbs highlight the road markings and signs really well due to the 5000k colour.

You can get them for £30 and they're well worth it. By the way, if you don't want as much blue (there is a slight blue tint) then have a look for Philips Crystal Vision bulbs. They have a 4300k rating.
 
for £40 inc postage you can get HID setup inc bulbs, ballasts and all wiring.

Im running a £40 setup and its the best mod ive ever fitted on any car, and i dont even have projectors.
 
I had Osram Nightbreakers in my Toledo until last week. They only had a lifespan of around 6 months and regardless of the free replacements from Osram, that wasn't acceptable to me.

Anyhow, I'm now running with a set of Philips Diamond Vision bulbs (H7). I compared the 2 (Nightbreaker vs DV) before completely removing the Osrams and the DV bulbs look identical to HID bulbs. The Osrams looked totally yellow compared to the DV.

They obviously don't have the same level of brightness as a HID setup but they are still good all the same. I've driven on some unlit A roads since and the DV bulbs highlight the road markings and signs really well due to the 5000k colour.

You can get them for £30 and they're well worth it. By the way, if you don't want as much blue (there is a slight blue tint) then have a look for Philips Crystal Vision bulbs. They have a 4300k rating.

Would you say the DV's are nicer to drive with compared to the Nighbreakers?

Remember the Crystal Vision bulbs have a lower lifespan than the nightbreakers also, remember this before buying...
for £40 inc postage you can get HID setup inc bulbs, ballasts and all wiring.

Im running a £40 setup and its the best mod ive ever fitted on any car, and i dont even have projectors.
Seriously? :(
 
Hmm, strange... Normally if the colour temp is higher then more light is produced as the bulb is overdriven.

You are totaly correct, the hotter the filament the higher the colour temp. The problem is that the law limits the light output from headlamps, so to increase colour temperature lamp manufacturers tend to use a blue filter on the bulb to reduce the red component of the light. The result is that you get less total light output.

This is really the only difference between the Osram Nightbreakers and the Philips Xtreme Power, the former have a light blue filter to improve colour temp (though it doesn't give a stupid blue light) and the Philips don't so have slightly higher output.
 
for £40 inc postage you can get HID setup inc bulbs, ballasts and all wiring.

Im running a £40 setup and its the best mod ive ever fitted on any car, and i dont even have projectors.

brilliant

and you decided it was a good idea to post that you've got some two pot piece of crap that blinds oncomming drivers when ?

cheap ebay kits + reflector headlights for the complete fail. Phil, stick to the replacement bulbs mate.

Reflector headlights give terrible beam scatter with HID bulbs.
 
i fitted some 80% extreme power philips today.... Absolutely no different from stock... :(

This is the problem. My lights are useless to put it politely, people tell me not to fit HIDs because of the beam scatter, and these bulbs that claim to be 50% - 80% better thabn bog standard bulbs, make no crud of difference :( so im not sure what to do now! I NEED more light!
 
Mike,

I'd say yes to that although I'm not sure I'd want them as my high beam lamps hence why I've got some Nightbreakers on order for those (H1's).

The DV's seem to highlight the road markings better than the Nightbreakers but I found that it was still nice to have a 'warmer' coloured light ahead of me when using/requiring the high beams.
 
This is the problem. My lights are useless to put it politely, people tell me not to fit HIDs because of the beam scatter, and these bulbs that claim to be 50% - 80% better thabn bog standard bulbs, make no crud of difference :( so im not sure what to do now! I NEED more light!

full beam is probably WORSE with these new bulbs because the fiesta turns off dipped beam when on full, so directly infront of the car is pitch black!
 
This is the problem. My lights are useless to put it politely, people tell me not to fit HIDs because of the beam scatter, and these bulbs that claim to be 50% - 80% better thabn bog standard bulbs, make no crud of difference :( so im not sure what to do now! I NEED more light!

I went from standard Philips lamps to Osram Nightbreakers in a car with headlamps that are renowned as appalling and it certainly made a significant difference. Perhaps you need to get a multimeter out and check you are actually getting full voltage at the lamp if they are that bad. Also are your reflectors and lenses in good condition? If either have deteriorated, that will reduce light output.
 
brilliant

and you decided it was a good idea to post that you've got some two pot piece of crap that blinds oncomming drivers when ?

cheap ebay kits + reflector headlights for the complete fail. Phil, stick to the replacement bulbs mate.

Reflector headlights give terrible beam scatter with HID bulbs.

I guess you know better than the MOT man then.

I NEVER get flashed by anyone with them on, ive both followed and been followed by Police and never been done for them, as a fact the last time i was pulled over i asked the traffic officer his opinion and he said they were fine.
 
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