Pickups losing their commercial vehicle status

Jamauk said:
How about the Holden/Vauxhall Maloo, with the 6.2 V8?

Could that ever be considered a commercial vehicle? :cry::cry:
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Engine wise in the UK pickups are in a bit of a weird place - V8 doesn't really bring anything other than decreased MPG, 3L V6 with lots of torque is the sweet spot - there is a huge gulf between that and these eco 2.xL 4 pots unless all you use them for is the school run.

I actually really appreciate my pickup on the motorway though - sits at 70 effortlessly, actually rides pretty well and nice big comfy seats with plenty of space.
 
sanaxe1 said:
I think it was obvious most used them for personal use, so it's good really.
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Generally yes, but like someone else said, there must be *some* genuine cases of people needing these vehicles due to the nature of what they do, and the same goes for the sub 1 ton ones as well,but they are probably out numbered by all the construction managers (who never seem to need to carry much more than a clipbopard and a set of safety boots to site) driving them for the BIC incentive, all the govenment did when they attempted to stop the loophole by changing to to >1ton a while back was to incentivise all these who didn't need suich a vehile in the first place, to buy even bigger, more poluting ones and for manufacturers to adjust their product lines to cater for this.

Ideally we need some way to allow the advantages for ones which are generally needed for work, but discourage ones which are picked just for the tax advantages, clearly the payload size doesn't work, I'm not sure what would, but I'm reminded of Goodhart's Law

When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure
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I'm not familiar with the Tax implications, both VED and company tax. I'm just wondering with this commercial vehicle status (essentially as a different tax code) could they be considered a commercial vehicle only if their registered keeper was a company, the bureaucratic DVLA would love the additional paperwork that this would involve.

I'm sure it just opens the system up to so many more loopholes, suddenly lots of 'company cars' appear on the roads.
 
It’s not uncommon for company cars to be owed by the company themselves rather than leased from a 3rd party.

For tax, the owner is irrelevant, it’s who uses it and how it’s used.

People try to do all sorts of dodgy stuff like claim their company car Lambo is in fact a pool car which seeming no other employee has access to or drives it.
 
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rypt said:
Why don't we build bigger/better roads then?
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That's a good question you'll have to put to the government. I'm sure since they do such a bang up job of maintaining our existing roads they'll have no problem rustling up hundreds of billions of pounds to widen roads so that a few chumps trying to make up for a shortage in the trouser department can pretend they're yeehaw rednecks in stupidly oversized pickups.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s not uncommon for company cars to be owed by the company themselves rather than leased from a 3rd party.

For tax, the owner is irrelevant, it’s who uses it and how it’s used.

People try to do all sorts of dodgy stuff like claim their company car Lambo is in fact a pool car which seeming no other employee has access to or drives it.
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The owners pretty key. If the employee is the owner, then it’s not a company car.
 
Ahleckz said:
The owners pretty key. If the employee is the owner, then it’s not a company car.
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Given the whole point of the thread is company cars and company car tax, it's a given that the employee doesn't own the car because if they did, it wouldn't be a company car. I don't think that point really needed explaining to anyone.

The point is that it doesn't matter if the company providing the car to the employee is owned by the company its self or leased from a 3rd party which is a direct response to the post immediately above by @Jamauk.
 
In Oxfordshire I've seen no end of Mercedes navada's can't say I'm surprised,but socks for the farmers and real works men that need them.
 
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