Pink Floyd - i dont get it

Alright, i'll concede a bit on this :) been listening to the wall tonight, a few beers in hand and yeah im seeing the appeal a bit more :) as some of you may have alluded to its more of the experience than an out and out hook.
 
As @Nitefly put very well, it's an absolute masterpiece but it is - like a lot of great things - an acquired taste.

@Nitefly I went through that album this morning and to be honest I've heard so many different live renditions they pretty much all blur in to one for me now :o

Regardless, I don't particularly recall those tracks but they are good.


Very yes. Took me a while to get in to the sound of the album but it's got a real character that is all its own.
 
Seeing Pink Floyd live is something that everyone should experience at least once in their life. Was Knebworth '90 for me, one hell of a line up.

Shame a concert like that will never happen again.

We had to leave just as they were coming on stage, my wife was too cold.

Hearing them play as we walked back into Stevenage didn't exactly improve my mood :(
 
Alright, i'll concede a bit on this :) been listening to the wall tonight, a few beers in hand and yeah im seeing the appeal a bit more :) as some of you may have alluded to its more of the experience than an out and out hook.

Apologies in advance for the mini-essay!!

I think what makes The Wall for me is how ‘theatrical’ it is and how all of the story ties together. I think a lot of it is almost impossible to make sense of without seeing the film (yes, they made a film of it). The film isn’t actually that great other than providing you with some imagery for context.... so I’ll do me best to help! I won’t do a full on song-by-song explanation as it’ll take forever but I’ll name some. I’m doing this because I didn’t really appreciate it until I ‘understood’ that context which completely went over my head at first instance.

The story, if you can’t figure it out, is about a fictional man (a rock star) named “Pink”.

The album opens with the Rock Star addressing his audience at a live show - but really he is talking to you, the listener. You’ve come to listen to feel awesome and inspired, for a warm glow. Well, buckle up buckeroo because that’s not what you’re getting. Grab your popcorn, roll the sound effects, action - it’s the start of the show and the start of Pink’s life (as you go back to when he’s first born).

The rest of the album, until its climax, jumps back and forth between present day Pink and his backstory (or rather things that continue to haunt him) in a rough chronological order. But some things (like sound effects) don’t make sense until you’re familiar with the whole story. FYI the whole thing is semi-autobiographical of Roger Waters of Pink Floyd. FYI “In the Flesh” was the name of the PF tour that preceded The Wall and you’ll see that two tracks on the album are named after this.

The backstory: Pink loses his father at a very early age to the Second World War. He doesn’t really belong at school and resents the teachers he sees as people that vent their own frustrations on the pupils. His mother is overprotective and refuses to let Pink really ‘fly’ - even going so far as to vet his girlfriends; “you’ll always be baby to me”, she says. He becomes a successful rockstar. He eventually married (possibly before stardom) but he is now disconnected from his wife - he is too plagued with depression / anxiety and he has treated her very poorly. The physical distance created by touring as a rockstar has only made matters ever bleaker. This takes us to present day.

For the vast majority of the album, modern day Pink in present day, is in his hotel room doing the only thing he is capable of doing - sitting around watching TV, occasionally calling his wife in the hope of hearing her voice. But he just can’t get through to her. Despite being married, desperate to find excitement on the road he tries to find some relief from his demons with sexual excitement. He eventually gets through to his home telephone to find a man answering... it dawns on him that his wife has now abandoned him and he really is all alone. He takes a groupie back to his hotel room absolutely paralysed by his emotions (“... are you feeling OK?”) and explodes in a violent rage, trashing his hotel room and endangering the groupie, that flees.

Hitting absolute rock bottom, Pink switches to anger and declares that he doesn’t need anything or anyone, opting instead to erect a comfortable yet in other ways harsh and cold ‘mental wall’ (i.e. the tititular one) between himself and others, that nobody could ever get through.

This takes us to Side 2 of the album. ‘Hey You’ is one of the most confusing songs of the album because it’s sang from three different perspectives. First, it’s sang from a sympathetic audience that is rooting for Pink and wants him to reconnect. Secondly, it’s sang from the perspective of a narrator declaring that Pink is a lost cause. Third, it’s sang from Pink himself, bitingly declaring to the audience that he is a lost cause.

Pink watches his TV from his trashed hotel room and wallows in his loneliness, missing his wife and his father (and resenting the war). Eventually the tour management shows up and needs to take Pink to the show where he is performing - but he’s so depressed and devoid of normal emotion that he isn’t himself and can’t face going on. Therefore a doctor is dispatched to medicate Pink so he can go onstage - this exchange between the doctor and Pink is “comfortably numb”.

(I don’t think this is necessarily the ‘official line’ hence this is in brackets, but from this point I think Pink is fantasising about all of this in his head)

Pink goes to the show but is now at the final outcome of all of the negativity - bitter and twisted and wanting to take his anger out on someone. The first song of the album starts, it’s time for a new show. Pink declares to his audience that it’s time to blame all their failings on others in society. The queers, the Jews, the “coons”. Whipping his audience up into an angry frenzy they go on a spree attacking the ethnic minorities. Pink laughs at then saying that they better ‘Run Like Hell’.

Amongst the violence, Pink suddenly catches how awful and fascist he has become.... screaming “STOP... I wanna go home... take off this uniform and leave the show”. But it’s not over... as Pink then puts himself on trial in his own head to declare whether all of his failings have been his own fault.

At the trial we hear from the teacher, his wife and his mother. The judge, having heard the evidence (I.e. the whole album) effectively declares that Pink is a disgrace and everything he has blamed others for is actually entirely his own fault - sentencing him to tear down the wall and be exposed for what he his infront of everyone (which can be inferred as a demand to release an album documenting his failures - THIS album).

The album ends with a little chuckle that surely nothing is as maddening as throwing your heart against some mad bugger’s wall.... looping back to the beginning of the album and suggesting that the building of walls is cyclical. The film actually ends with children picking up bricks from the destroyed wall, suggesting that the burden from parents is often passed on to their children.

Phew that was probably a long read :o but I wanted to say it to help you enjoy / appreciate it. I doubt I could write so much about the story of any other album, hence why I am quite happy declaring it ‘the best’. It is staggeringly detailed and well thought out. Masterpiece :cool:
 
Its music you have to listen to, it can't just be on in the background on a mono radio.

But finding the time to settle down with a decent stereo and listen to Dark Side of the Moon is something I try to do every now and again.
 
@Zefan

@Nitefly I went through that album this morning and to be honest I've heard so many different live renditions they pretty much all blur in to one for me now :o

Regardless, I don't particularly recall those tracks but they are good.

Very yes. Took me a while to get in to the sound of the album but it's got a real character that is all its own.
Were those bootlegs? I don’t think there have been many official releases of tracks from The Wall other than ‘the hits’.

Dogs is perhaps one of their best songs save for two minor criticisms I have to made:

- that keyboard solo section is agonisingly and needlessly long.
- I find the outro section weak (sort of flogging a dead horse lyrically and it’s grammatically weird too... Keeps starting with “who” wtf)

Otherwise the lyrics pre-keyboard section in particular are amazing.
 
snipperoony

Not that I don't appreciate the value of the summary, but I think the wall has already undergone significant construction the time you first mention it, it's just he doesn't really know it. It's mentioned as early as Mother.

:edit: realised you're giving a joint summary of the movie and the album, and I think you are right in that the first imagery of the wall is then in the movie.

Were those bootlegs? I don’t think there have been many official releases of tracks from The Wall other than ‘the hits’.

Oh yes, 100% Internet finds.
 
Not that I don't appreciate the value of the summary, but I think the wall has already undergone significant construction the time you first mention it, it's just he doesn't really know it. It's mentioned as early as Mother.
Yeah it’s first mentioned in another Brick in the Wall part 1. I just thought that aspect of it about the wall being built from childhood was sort of obvious from the lyrics so I didn’t want to add to my wall (lul) of text but yes it’s worth mentioning!

Never investigated the bootlegs so will have to give them a whirl.
 
Speaking of Mother, that last line “Mother did it need to be so.... high?” always confused me when I was younger. I thought it mean high on drugs or something... but I then realised that it’s of course referring to the height of the wall that’s being built.
 
Yeah it’s first mentioned in another Brick in the Wall part 1. I just thought that aspect of it about the wall being built from childhood was sort of obvious from the lyrics so I didn’t want to add to my wall (lul) of text but yes it’s worth mentioning!

Never investigated the bootlegs so will have to give them a whirl.

Gawd yes, just realised that I have my brain all bent out of shape when it comes to the track order, I just knew it was mentioned really early on.

It's definitely an experience that can only be truly appreciated on repeat listens.
 
The Wall is the best album of all time.

2nd best for me ;) (Joe's Garage is my all time No.1)

Though seeing Roger Waters at Wembley on The Wall tour a few years ago was as close to a religious experience an atheist like myself can get :p

And David Gilmour at Royal Albert Hall doing comfortably numb and various other PF tracks was mind blowing.
 

One of my favourite groups actually, although I was a Tarja purist until Floor came along, Anette just didn't do it for me unfortunately.

I agree with @Zefan, while Nightwish are an epic band I'd say they inspire a different feeling to the likes of Floyd and Waters when speaking of drama. Nightwish gives you a fantastic show and a stunning spine tingling performance, Floyd and Waters can keep you up at night staring at the ceiling lost in thought.
 
One of my favourite groups actually, although I was a Tarja purist until Floor came along, Anette just didn't do it for me unfortunately.

I agree with @Zefan, while Nightwish are an epic band I'd say they inspire a different feeling to the likes of Floyd and Waters when speaking of drama. Nightwish gives you a fantastic show and a stunning spine tingling performance, Floyd and Waters can keep you up at night staring at the ceiling lost in thought.

I actually think those 2 albums with Annette are incredible but live she wasn’t great.

i’ll have to check out more floyd, i only know comfortably numb, another brick in the wall, shine on crazy diamond and of course the one nightwish covered - high hopes.
 
I actually think those 2 albums with Annette are incredible but live she wasn’t great.

i’ll have to check out more floyd, i only know comfortably numb, another brick in the wall, shine on crazy diamond and of course the one nightwish covered - high hopes.

Wish You Were Here is one of my favourite albums and actually features Crazy Diamond, I think you'd get on with Welcome to the Machine from it actually judging your tastes:


Then you just need to listen to Have a Cigar and you can say you've listened to the full album! lol

I would say that if you ever want to sit and listen to an album all the way through to sit in a dark room by yourself with Dark Side of the Moon, and if you're left wanting more The Wall.

If you want to punish yourself (in a good way) do the same with Roger Waters - Amused to Death, Radio K.A.O.S is also well worth a listen and not as heavy as the others I've mentioned if you want something easier to get through.
 
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My favourite of all time. :cool:

They are really a concept album band, not a singles orientated act.

My top three favourite albums of theirs are:

1. Wish You Were Here
2. Dark Side of the Moon
3. Animals (close choice between that and one of the earlier ones like Ummagumma/Atom Heart Mother/Meddle)
 
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IMO this is their best (I am not big into them) born in 70's BTW.

When it is live on stage or CD you can hear the backing singers far better that this or the tape version I had before CD's (one of whom is Sam Brown who had a big hit in 80's).



 
Seen them live at Hyde Park Calling, then at Earls Court about a year later (snuck a bottle in on that one, got really drunk), was great though. Then saw Roger Waters at the o2 and we were really lucky and picked the one (and only) night when Gilmour made his gues apperance. Also seen them at......

Thats 3 times, I know I seen them 4 times, I cant remember the 4th one eeek.

I also seen the Autralian Pink floyd twice, first time at the Royal Albert hall which was awful, not because of the band, but the audience, my god, it was like a weekday evening, and me and my mates were there enjoy it but most of the auditence were pretentious london clap with the palm type of dickheads, you could see in the audience pockets of fans, but mostly we got scowled at, and it ruined the event.

Second time was at the Hammersmith Apollo at that one was awesome, I'd highly recommend Australian Pink Floyd, they do very clever little Aussy themed touched which anyone who has seen them will know what I am talkign about. LAser light show like no other. I was pretty drunk at that one come to think of it.

I was born in the early 80's and my dad used to listen to them in the car. I think the thing with Pink Floyd is it's gotta sink in, unlike some where they are catchy, you gotta put the effort in, but once it sinks in then boy....

That was obviously done for my as a child by my dad playing it.

Best band of all time though, no doubt.
 
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