Pink Floyd reuniting rumour?- Nick Mason

Pinkeyes said:
Post of the year tbh. I agree with every word.
Really? Cos it sounds like the biggest shower of ***** I ever read :D


I'm really trying to not be offensive about our collective opinions on both sides in this thread. Its awfully difficult for me, as I'm sure it is for you.

Unfortunately I can't agree with any of it.

I wasn't alive except for the last 3 years of the decade you mentioned. I believe it was necessary to have lived through the period you say they were good. To see the other artists around at the time, to know what they were doing. The problem you fans of them have with those of us that didn't live through that period is that to appreciate them now you need to like the music and it needs to stand up against the classics of the same era. And, put simply, it doesn't.

Of course, on music and on here all we have is our opinion.
 
dmpoole said:
I knicked them off the original Money track and then turned them into Soundfonts that I could load into the AWE32 and maximised the stereo effect. I was quite proud of that at the time.
It took me an age to program Money because I couldn't get the groove right and a few months later I mentioned it to a mate and he said "You have done it in 7/8 time?" or something similar to which I replied "No, its in 4/4" and he just laughed. I went straight home, put my Cakewalk sequencer to 7/8 (or whatever) and it was there. However, he didn't tell me that the guitar solo stays in 4/4.

Thought they sounded very similar. Worked very well for you though. Even though your voices are nothing like the originals, they are both good enough to carry the songs. I liked them both.

I'm sure the documentary I mentioned a couple of posts up ^^ explains about the timing on Money. I may be wrong, it's been a few years since I have seen it.
 
Pinkeyes said:
Thought they sounded very similar. Worked very well for you though. Even though your voices are nothing like the originals, they are both good enough to carry the songs. I liked them both.

I'm sure the documentary I mentioned a couple of posts up ^^ explains about the timing on Money. I may be wrong, it's been a few years since I have seen it.



your right about the documentary does discuss the timings, I can't remember what they were though as it a long time since I've seen it
 
Gilly said:
Unfortunately I can't agree with any of it.

Then I don't see much point discussing anything remotely related to music with you sire. As you don't have enough will or character to distance yourself from your likes and dislikes and understand music as a form.

"Pink Floyds music is ****."

I've heard everything, I understand our destiny now.

Could the last person leaving the island to Gilly's generation please switch off the light. :D
 
Did you miss the fact that I expanded on it? Or have you not enough 'enough will or character to distance yourself from your likes and dislikes'?

Their music to me sounds crap. You're saying I need to hear it on another level are you? That its on a higher plain? Pretentious nonsense and I hope (and think) you already know it.

Quantify your 'music as a form' statement. Form of what, exactly? I'm a musician myself with particularly eclectic tastes. I don't believe I struggle with variety of tastes.

[edit]I see you edited your post to be that bit more condescending. Cheers.
 
your both putting your points of view across eloquently, lets not let it turn a slanging match but keep it about the music.......

pink floyd are not No Swearing! btw... couldn't help myself ;)

edit: I hope this doesn't seem patronising
 
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Gilly said:
You're saying I need to hear it on another level are you? That its on a higher plain?

When I were a lad in t'early 70's there was only one way to play Pink Floyd and that was to sit in your bedroom cross legged and burning joss sticks and my mum would go mad.
At parties we would pretend that we'd got our hands on some weed and everybody would be going "Wow man, Pink Floyd man, its the only way to listen to them man".
My first Floyd album was Meddle and I bought all the back catalogue and those that were to come after meddle and the last I bought was The Wall.
I lived through them and I never really got them.
 
v0n said:
You don't have to be offended, not understanding Pink Floyds place in history doesn't make you neither less of a fine bloke nor makes my post derrogatory. It's just a note for myself - from the same land, with the same roots, there are those that think Floyd are ****. Not "phoney", not "boring", but ****.

There isn't many things in todays Britain that all could fully agree to, however, the long lost place in music history is something that generally everyone is able to acknowledge. Robbie Williams might be mopping floors in pubs across the pond, Oasis might mean jack es to people in Canada, but make no mistake, Britain once meant something. Britain once made music art. Pink Floyd is the last titan that rose on this earth. The last of supergroups. You would stuggle to think of Stones albums that were memorable enough as a whole to be made into movie. You would find it hard to count truelly acomplished a-z, front to end, Beatles albums on fingers of one hand. But you wouldn't deny their place in history. Yet Pink Floyd, you call ****?

Between 73 and 83 almost every single Floyd album was not a mere mile stone of music, not a land mark, but a flipping landscape from horizon to horizon. And it's not that I'm a fan. In fact, I much prefer Gilmour led Floyd work to overblown theatrical epics of Waters' fatherless childhood and slit wrist sobering up poetics, but Gilly, outside this strange island with its penchant for Kylies ****, gaybar boybands and whigger rhymes of middle class rich kids impressed with pseudo ghetto martyrology there is a real world, and in there Pink Floyd is permanently embedded into art books. So even if you, or dmpoole don't want to have respect to tumbling walls, marching hammers and flyings pigs because it's not rocker like, or simply because it's pretensional (and it is), respect it because for outside these shores people might struggle to see Britishness of Stones or Led Zeppelin and not even consider Deep Purple or Genesis remotely UK bred but Pink Floyd, above all things, is your only and last bulldog sticker with union jack to fly higher than anyone else. Ever.



We are still very good today, except the American music press have been more biased against English music than ever. Some of the things I have read have been so unfair and cutting.
 
Did you miss the fact that I expanded on it?

Didn't edit anything.

There are few things that trouble me.

- You think expanding to "their music to me sound crap" is actually expanding a view of any kind.
- You claim to be musician and still think their music is crap. What, if you don'y mind me asking, are you a vituose of that Pink Floyds achievements in their field don't strike you as at least technically worthy their place in music cannon?
- Music is a form of art. How can you not see The Wall for example, just as such. It might be boring to some, it might be tearjerking selfloathing piece of Dr.Phill's worst nightmare to others. But it's still undeniable conceptual poetry accompanied by very thought through music score and, in it's live form, visual effects.

What you say is impertinent by default not because it's a stick thrown at fan group, as you would like to believe, but because, without any kind of argument behid it it's an empty call. It's equivalent to "Gwyneth Paltrow is fat" or "Brad Pitt is one evil black man". It's a revolving parade of trivia - "Floyds are ****". Why are they ****? "Cause I think their music is crap". Why is it crap? "Cause they are ****".
Do better. Or don't mind me walking away with condescending smile.
 
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At least you can identify you're being condescending. Thats a start anyway.

The problem you have is I don't need to go deeper into that part of my opinion. If music sounds **** it just sounds ****. Is there really any way to quantify that further? I don't like the way your car looks, but I like the way other cars look. There's isn't any specific reason for that I just don't like it.

There's a lot of music I like but can't put a reason on why. There's even more that I dislike but still can't do it.
 
dmpoole said:
When I were a lad in t'early 70's there was only one way to play Pink Floyd and that was to sit in your bedroom cross legged and burning joss sticks and my mum would go mad.

I took my girlfriend to Loch Ness for a Valentines weekend a couple of years ago, and we listened to The Wall and DSOTM during the drive through all the glens. Stunning background music to view the views too. I think we both declaraed that to be the best way to listen to them.
 
Gilly said:
The problem you have is I don't need to go deeper into that part of my opinion. If music sounds **** it just sounds ****.
There is a difference between understanding why something is great and sharing opinion that something is great. I struggle to find Rolling Stones remotely interesting. To my ear it's a bad vocalist choking out simple lyrics, to messy music performed by rather uneven bunch of musicians. Unpleasant to look at, even more unpleasant to listen to. It's just not within my taste. I do, however understand why they have their place in hall of fame and how they earned their legend status for crying out loud. Not my kind of music but at least in large excerpts good music never the less.

I don't like the way your car looks, but I like the way other cars look. There's isn't any specific reason for that I just don't like it.

Fine example. Will help. I DON'T LIKE the way Subaru Impreza looks like. I much more like the way my Almera looks (no, really). But do I doubt Subaru Impreza is a great racing car? Hell no.

It's not about liking. It's about understanding what's music or art and what's not.

Eminem could be called **** musician. Not because I don't like him, but because there isn't much music really to speak off and when there is, it's by default never his. Rapper, very outspoken indeed. Text writter, perhaps a top notch one in his genre. Musician. Not really much to speak of. But that's not
all. There were many bad musicians before him. Bob Dylan for one. Very unlikable chap with less than very basic intrument skills, known for his harsh tunes and chillingly miserable vocal. But the forms, he created, with charisma more than anything between his insightful lyrics and simple tunes were enough to insipire and thus book his place in music history.
That's a difference between someone who sells records and shelves grammy awards and someone who actually creates music and/or art. Even if, forced to choose between two, I would pick Marshall Matters over Robert Zimmerman for long journey on a train.

Another fine example - given enough financial and time backing dmpoole could record his version of Dark Side of The Moon which could, in theory sound better than original on every instrumental and vocal level. There is a distinct possibility that it could happen. Could he write an album just one like it from the scratch? With all due respect. Doubt it. It just doesn't happen. And that's why it's such a big deal when it does. Let alone make few consecutive albums like that. And that's the difference between performer and artist.

And you don't have to like something to see those simple differences. In terms of music that's why people will know in the future of Bob Dylan, but not of Martine McCatcheon and her cheerful renditions of whatever was she did at her time. They will know how Mick couldn't get satisfaction when Keith kept murdering the same two string riff over few minutes on his harshly sounding guitar but won't care to admire vinyl scratching and mixing console skills of DJ Visage and his thrilling, gas pressing hit "Schumacher". Even tho for many reasons many of us, at any given time, would rather seat through a umpaumpa to the Schumi than through Mick still not getting any luck.

When something inspires millions of people to return to for so many years, be it a symphony they heard hundreds of times before, or book they've already read in high school, or a painting on the back of which countless students made their phone book aftername additions you don't get to say it's ****. Cause it's not going to be just because you said it. Gwyneth isn't fat. Brad isn't rude black man. Floyds aren't ****. You have to do better than "because if it sounds **** it is ****" if you want to convince anyone. You sound to me like little on that side for the past two pages, and yet I'm sure you aren't one.

You have to prove your theory.
 
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Thats the inherent problem though. It isn't a theory, its a fact. It is plain, solid fact that I don't like Pink Floyd. I don't like them for their music and I don't like them for their seeming petulance nor the fact that they got far too long when playing in London and had they not played The Who could've had longer and I don't like the fact that for years I've had to sit through their dirges. I don't like the fact that so many people adore them and I just don't get it. Maybe that is a weakness of mine. I want to know what I'm missing out on. What is it in those dirges that makes them so listenable?

You took my example of your car too literally. I was talking purely about the looks of it and the reason I don't like it. With Pink Floyd I'm talking purely about the sound and why I don't like it. The rest of it doesn't interest me. I'd rather drive a Scoob than yours (no offence) and I'd rather listen to a myriad other bands from the same era than Pink Floyd.

I'm sorry I can't narrow it down any further. If I could then I would.
 
Didn't we cover "I like" n times already in previous episodes? Oh, we did. So, you don't read. That just wastes my time. I'll wait for reruns.
 
Well... there isn't anything else I can say. I'm asking you exactly how you expect me to quantify it.
 
Ok, let's rewrite episide one. How do you know Mozart was genious? Did someone tell you that, or is it something you feel listening to his music?
 
Pretty heated in here, it seems. No surprises :o.

I love Pink Floyd, they're one of my favourite bands. I wasn't around when they were by any stretch since I'm 17, and have never taken weed - which it has been suggested in the thread by some is mandatory to enjoy the music.

Could I explain why I like it? Probably not, but certainly not at 1:10am. It's music I can listen to and not do anything else, it's quite complex and find to some degree that the more I listen to some songs the better they seem. I'll never get tired of listening to tracks like comfortably numb, echoes, shine on you crazy diamond.. much of the music is very beautiful, but takes some time to get into.

Gilly and anybody else is entitled not to like it though, as everybody has their own musical tastes. If some people don't appreciate Pink Floyd's impact or their influence, it's not really worth getting upset about. You can have the smug satisfaction you're right ;) and stop flogging a dead horse.

You can't really define art anyway as it is based on opinion, and many pieces of art which are today revered were not given so much interest until the artists were themselves deceased! I think due to their commercial success if nothing else, then they as well as the Beatles will be known in the future; but I expect that their contribution to music as a whole will also be well documented.

Even if it is not so obvious as The Beatles how other bands have been influenced, the fact that Dark Side of the Moon is such a critical success means that most current musicians will have listened to it at some point. And to boot, Pink Floyd have always done spectacular concerts which have no doubt influenced a number of other live acts; laser shows aren't that unusual now, though I can't say with any certainty that Floyd pioneered them.

Going back to the OP, I'd love them to tour again - I wouldn't miss a Pink Floyd gig for the world.
 
TommoUK said:
laser shows aren't that unusual now, though I can't say with any certainty that Floyd pioneered them.

Led Zeppelin Earls Court May 1975 used the first laser - I was there and Plant commented about it. It was a straight line that just hit the back of the wall and did nothing else. During the Pink Floyd DSOTM tour they had lots of lights and a big circular screen behind them that showed films and oil patterns. I remember a surfing film during Echoes which was the encore.

Lets get one thing straight - Pink Floyd are amazing musicians but a lot of their music sucks. They need all the lights and gizmos going on so that the audience doesn't fall asleep. it would be interesting to see a Floyd show where the musicians stand on stage and just play their music but everybody would get too bored. Gilmour is an excellent guitarist but the best thing I've ever heard him do is play for Paul McArtney alongside Ian Paice, Mick Green and Pete Wingfield in a rock n roll band. I have to wonder how that happened because when choosing a rock n roll band Gilmour would be the last person on my list (3 chords).

I can listen to Floyd and I have listened to Floyd many times but the mood has got to be right. I just think they are the Emperors New Clothes and he's had them for nearly 40 years.
 
v0n said:
Didn't we cover "I like" n times already in previous episodes? Oh, we did. So, you don't read. That just wastes my time. I'll wait for reruns.

Whilst I entirely agree with your opinion of Pink Floyd, and your turn on recognising the place various musicians have in music history, I think you may have over stepped a little in your rebuttle to Gilly.

He has every right to hold his personal opinion as to whether PF is ****, as that is his interpretation of the music, altho Gilly, I might suggest that "Personally I don't like them, and never got their music" may have been a slightly less inflammatory statement :D

V0n, you made a really interesting point in that, music is art. As such then is should probably be approached in the same way. I can't stand expressionism (for the most part) and find abstract art to be the domain of the person that has no talent. Whereas I find the Dutch Masters, Vermeer, Rembrandt etc to be gob smackingly stunning. But that is only my opinion, and should never be confused with a statement that the expressionists and abstract artists have no place in art history.

I don't think that Gilly has been trying to say that he denys Pink Floyds envolvement and/or validity to music history and trying to imply such is really picking on semantics.
 
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