Plane crash video from inside cockpit - must see!

KatanaDV20 · 10 Aug 2012 at 01:17

Small plane + hot day + high altitude + 4 people

The chain was in place from the start. If only he had broken it when he realized they had difficulty getting airborne.

albert · 10 Aug 2012 at 02:26

fake.

Justintime · 10 Aug 2012 at 03:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_8AHC9Xus0&feature=related

Have a look at that, horrible. I remember reading about this a while ago, the videotape was pieced together, it had been strewn about unravelled in the elements for quite some time. Rather long so skip to the end. Both occupants obviously died

2StepSteve · 10 Aug 2012 at 03:46

I don't think it would be unreasonable to say the pilot should have his license taken away. He clearly ignored a few signs there! He seems terribly inexperienced to say the least.

Lucky escape.

Scuzi · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:01

2StepSteve said:
I don't think it would be unreasonable to say the pilot should have his license taken away. He clearly ignored a few signs there! He seems terribly inexperienced to say the least.

Lucky escape.

The yanks are very touchy about taking away someone's licence, even when they screw up in a big way. Freedom and all that. I wouldn't be surprised if that man takes to the air again.

I was up flying earlier. It was about 15C hotter at sea level than the last time I flew and there was a very noticeable degradation in climb performance. It doesn't take much to put a plane outside its limits!

fidget · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:25

I'm not conviced this is genuine - at best looks "staged"... (ex PPL)

Scuzi · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:42

It's real.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20120701X65804&key=1

Housey · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:44

albert said:
fake.

Basis?

Deleted member 77746 · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:44

fidget said:
I'm not conviced this is genuine - at best looks "staged"... (ex PPL)

ditto

ltnmzh · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:45

Reaper 392 said:
from my impressive experience of flying light aircraft* i could tell that the aircraft had a serious problem, what that problem might have been i dont know but something was stopping it from taking off. the pilot is an absolute idiot for trying to take a plane into the air in that condition, especially since he had passengers.

*1 hour in a piper warrior
(a piloting experience day from redletterdays)

I have to agree with you. the comment says the air is too hot. but I think hot air creates uplifting current which is a good thing.

bJN · 10 Aug 2012 at 17:57

ltnmzh said:
I have to agree with you. the comment says the air is too hot. but I think hot air creates uplifting current which is a good thing.

Not when you suddenly hit a pocket, completely changes the engine in simple terms.

Lucky to be alive let alone walk away with that pilot. :/

Scuzi · 10 Aug 2012 at 18:18

ltnmzh said:
I have to agree with you. the comment says the air is too hot. but I think hot air creates uplifting current which is a good thing.

Relatively speaking. A high OAT at high altitude results in a density altitude close to or above the aircraft's service ceiling. The airframe doesn't produce enough lift and the engine doesn't produce enough power.

bJN said:
Not when you suddenly hit a pocket, completely changes the engine in simple terms.

Lucky to be alive let alone walk away with that pilot. :/

Lol at all this talk of "a pocket of air".

Theophany · 10 Aug 2012 at 18:23

Sin_Chase said:
It's a GoPro with what is obviously the fully waterproof back on. Yes the audio is muffled - as you would expect from a fully water proofed unit.

There is a non-waterproof back it ships with that has clear audio.

No need to take it back considering that is perfectly normal. Feel free to tell every big TV/Recording studio to ditch their 1,000s of GoPros for being crap though!

Two points:

1. It was a tongue in cheek comment
2. Who uses a waterproof camera case in a plane?

this_is_gav · 10 Aug 2012 at 18:34

Theophany said:
2. Who uses a waterproof camera case in a plane?

It's a fairly generic camera for adventurous types. People use them on bike's, racing cars, surf boards, boats, etc. They come with all sorts of fixtures and fittings for different activities.

Theophany · 10 Aug 2012 at 18:36

this_is_gav said:
It's a fairly generic camera for adventurous types. People use them on bike's, racing cars, surf boards, boats, etc. They come with all sorts of fixtures and fittings for different activities.

Way to answer the question there, champ.

Blinkz · 10 Aug 2012 at 18:48

Scuzi said:
The yanks are very touchy about taking away someone's licence, even when they screw up in a big way. Freedom and all that. I wouldn't be surprised if that man takes to the air again.

I was up flying earlier. It was about 15C hotter at sea level than the last time I flew and there was a very noticeable degradation in climb performance. It doesn't take much to put a plane outside its limits!

If you ever need a co-pilot I'm your man

Pilot in the video is just crazy. Totally overloaded aircraft in awful under-powered aircraft! The take off roll was huge. That ALONE should have made him stop! :rolleyes:

KatanaDV20 · 11 Aug 2012 at 18:12

Theres no such thing as an "air pocket" - I think people mean "windshear" when they say that which is a sudden change in speed & direction of the wind.

In this video DA (Density Altitude) was a big factor. In fact this video would make great training material.

Air is ALREADY less dense at high altitude. Now throw in a high temperature and the air density is reduced even more. Basically - much less air molecules rushing around the wings. So the plane "thinks" its at a much higher altitude and at high altitude the performance of these light planes goes downhill.

So for example if theres an airport in the mountains at 6000ft. Now imagine its a REALLY hot day - as far as the plane is concerned the airport is NOT at 6000ft - it is at 8,000ft. And so the plane behaves as it would at 8000 feet. Something every pilot is trained to calculate. And today you dont even have to do that. Theres some amazing aviation apps for the iPad that do all the number-crunching for you.

All this pilot had to do was do the math and then throw out two passengers and their luggage and then take off. He could have given the dude in the front a ride and then come back for the other two.

OR..

He could have removed some fuel as well.

The little plane was just too heavy, the engine was straining with all that weight and the wings struggling to generate lift in the thin hot air.

Now you know why runways at high-altitude international airports are really long. Like airports in Peru, Chile etc.

Blue160 · 11 Aug 2012 at 19:59

It's not just the reduction in lift. A naturally aspirated piston engine will be well down on power at that altitude density as well. Lower density air so less fuel can be burned on each power stroke. Kind of like turbo charging in reverse.

godinman · 11 Aug 2012 at 20:49

Efour2 said:
i never thought a plane crash could have been boring until now !

This!

KatanaDV20 · 12 Aug 2012 at 18:45

Blue160 said:
It's not just the reduction in lift. A naturally aspirated piston engine will be well down on power at that altitude density as well. Lower density air so less fuel can be burned on each power stroke. Kind of like turbo charging in reverse.

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