Planes - why are they trying to kill me?

A couple of years ago we got delayed for a couple of hours while they found a Co-Pilot.
On arrival at Manchester the Pilot apologised for the delay and said that they didn't actually need the Co-Pilot because the plane had took off itself, flew itself and landed itself :eek:
Was he kidding?
 
A couple of years ago we got delayed for a couple of hours while they found a Co-Pilot.
On arrival at Manchester the Pilot apologised for the delay and said that they didn't actually need the Co-Pilot because the plane had took off itself, flew itself and landed itself :eek:
Was he kidding?

Yes. Can you program an autopilot?
 
Yes. Can you program an autopilot?

Today's autopilots are very, very advanced. Every bit of the flight is programmed on to the Flight Management Computer - weight, amount of fuel ect and it computes things like optimum speed for lift off and landing, estimated fuel burn ect and this feeds in to the autopilot ergo allowing the plane to fly itself. To land automatically, they use a system called Instrument Landing System which homes the plane in (localiser) and tells it when to descend (glideslope). From there, it's just activating the brakes, speedbrakes, thrust reverser and taxing to the gate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_management_system
 
Today's autopilots are very, very advanced. Every bit of the flight is programmed on to the Flight Management Computer - weight, amount of fuel ect and it computes things like optimum speed for lift off and landing, estimated fuel burn ect and this feeds in to the autopilot ergo allowing the plane to fly itself. To land automatically, they use a system called Instrument Landing System which homes the plane in (localiser) and tells it when to descend (glideslope). From there, it's just activating the brakes, speedbrakes, thrust reverser and taxing to the gate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_management_system

I won't claim to be an expert but I'd imagine the pilots still need to program the FMS, check the FMS, double check the FMS, be there in case the plane has to be flown manually, deal with emergencies, perhaps deal with the ILS not being available, deal with diversions, system failures, etc. I can't imagine there being a pilotless plane any time soon.
 
I won't claim to be an expert but I'd imagine the pilots still need to program the FMS, check the FMS, double check the FMS, be there in case the plane has to be flown manually, deal with emergencies, perhaps deal with the ILS not being available, deal with diversions, system failures, etc. I can't imagine there being a pilotless plane any time soon.

Yep. That's why humans are going to stick around for quite a time/
 
You'll be fine, nothing to worry about. Things rarely go seriously wrong and when they do you almost always die a fairly quick death.
 
I tend to fall asleep within seconds of getting on the plane, and wake up for food and drinks and landing. However that's through conditioning of spending years travelling.

Planes bother me less than buses.
 
I don't think its an irrational fear even tho the chances are relatively slim...

I flew over the arctic through a massive gale once... that was not fun - could actually see how massive the waves were and gaining/loosing almost 1000feet in seconds quite frequently.
 
A fear of flying is a bit odd. I suffer from it and yet I fly a lot - probably around 30 odd flights this year so far.

I *know* it's irrational, I *know* it's a dumb-ass fear, and yet my stress level is massively high at take off.

In Egypt once somebody suggested I try some damazipam - oh my god I felt like I'd been teleported home :D Wouldn't try that again though.
 
I'm not usually bothered by turbulance or flying, even the first time i did, i just liked the adventure, but descending into Palma Airport a few years there had been thunderstorms where we were descending and im presuming the clear air after them was what caused it, but my lord we did bounce about, i think it was the descent that made it worse 'cos you could actually see the ground coming up in spits and spurts! 100's of feet at a time, kids were screaming, hand luggage was flying out of the overhead lockers and we even had a movie style cart loose down the aisle... after that incident i felt a little worse for wear and was wondering if my time was up, the Spanish cleaners face though when i came out of the toilet after throwing my entire guts up in the airport was priceless, 'cos i'm not often sick, but when i am, the noises i make are unforgettable.
 
I'm happy to answer questions any of you may have about flying if it will put your minds at ease.

As for turbulence, there really isn't anything to worry about. Its like in a car going over a bumpy road, its not that comfortable but its harmless and not dangerous.

Airliners do indeed have very complex Flight Management Systems but that is just a very basic computer that does calculations. We are the people that program it, check it and make sure everyting is correct. How would you like to leave a computer to fly you unmonitored?? :)
 
Ok, here's one for you. What's actually happnening to the plane when it does that sudden drop or sideways movement? Is it actually moving as far as it feels or is this in my imagination? When is it not just unpleasant but actually dangerous? Finally, what can I do to alleviate my fears on internal flights? I've used diazepam before and it worked fairly well but I don't really want to be drug dependant to do these short flights. Advice welcome :)

Fake edit : what's the worst flying conditions you've experienced as a (I imagine?) pilot?
 
The air in the atmosphere isn't smooth, by the very nature of weather it gets mixed up and flows around the pressure systems (the highs and lows that weathermen/women are always talking about)

Now of course mixing of the air isn't uniform, some (usually around high pressure systems) is generally very gentle and as such you get smooth flying conditions, little cloud and generally sunny weather. Around Low pressures (sadly this mainly what we get in the UK) the mixing is generally more vigorous and as such makes for more bumps.

It is hard to actually describe what the aircraft is doing when it flys through the turbulent air, usually it doesn't move as much as you feel, This is because of the perspective in the passenger cabin (i.e there isn't a decent horizon to look out of, other then through the tiny windows) tends to magnify the sensations. People tend not to like the sensations because they are not used to them, and also because turbulence tends to induce a little negative-G (this is the brief feeling that your falling, as opposed to positive-G that forces you into your seat). Negative-G by its nature is everyone doesn't like, the mind doesn't like feeling its falling! Generally most people like positive-G since it reassuringly presses you into your seat and gives you a feeling of security. When feeling both the positive and negative during bumps the mind tends to focus of the negative feelings and makes people feeling worried. In my experience the more you experience turbulence the more you'll feel at ease with it. This is mainly because the brain learns that the sensations it is getting aren't a threat, and can actually become enjoyable.

As have been suggested going for a flight in a small aircraft is a very good idea. They have big cannopys and gives you a big horizon to look at which helps the brain process the sensations. Small planes also feel the bumps more and give you a chance to get used to them. If you want to go all out try and do some aerobatics in a light aircraft. Once you've been pulling 8G or so you should ever worry about any of the tiny things airliners get!

To answer the question about when turbulence gets dangerous, well it is a huge amount more then any of you have ever felt. The aircraft are extremely strong and are designed to cope with far more G loading the nature can dish out. The only places that can start to approach the limits of the aircraft would be super-cell thunderstorms that have huge vertical air movements in them. Even these would have to be very powerful storms (which are rare in the UK, not common in Europe and only occasionally happen in the US) But again there is a very simple answer to this. Don't fly through thunderstorms! Which is exactly what us pilots do. We have accurate weather radars, reports from other aircraft and then even if all of that fails we have the most accurate and sensitive instrument known for analysing the cloud formations, our eyes! You really don't have anything to worry about :)

As for what to do to alleviate your fears well I'm afraid I can't help you there. I've never had the fear so can't really help with how to get rid of them. Personally I'd not go down the drug or alcohol route. Just try and understand why you have the fear and then just get yourself over it, as I said by maybe going for a trial flight etc.
 
Used to have a problem with flying, but my work has sent me on many trips this year. I now feel like I've gotten acclimatised to turbulence, so it doesn't bother me. What troubles me occasionally is the confinement, but I get that on tube trains, in the car in a traffic jam, etc., so I can't blame the plane for that.

Ginga
 
After being happily thrown around in a tiny glider and solo flying a motor glider and small 2 seater I dont think I could ever be scared of flying, I love it to much! :D

Taking off in an airbus from Narvik in the north of Norway was fun, pilot held it on the brakes, got full throttle going, then released the brakes. Bearing in mind it looked like this:
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Landing on it was fun too :D
 
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