Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Well I'm potentially in over my head having never ran a marathon distance before & would consider myself a casual 5KM runner but I've signed up for a CX Marathon in a weeks time. An Ultra 70KM Marathon starting at midnight the week after and a half marathon the week after that. :eek:

I'm most apprehensive about the CX Marathon and a part of me is thinking of doing the half marathon distance instead the other half is telling me to man up :(
 
I need a few pointers on diet for the week before a race. I'm doing a 10k on Saturday (done a few 5's previously) which will be my first one.

With the 5s I just went out and ran for fun as I do them all the time in practice. The 10k, well, I'm taking it a bit more seriously.

Big carb meal the night before and something small before the race?

no need to carb load for a 10k as you won't be running long enough to deplete your carb stores. Just eat light the day before and don't eat anything weird or new and you'll be fine.
 
Well I'm potentially in over my head having never ran a marathon distance before & would consider myself a casual 5KM runner but I've signed up for a CX Marathon in a weeks time. An Ultra 70KM Marathon starting at midnight the week after and a half marathon the week after that. :eek:

I'm most apprehensive about the CX Marathon and a part of me is thinking of doing the half marathon distance instead the other half is telling me to man up :(

What is your longest recent run, how many miles do you run a week, how many times a week do you run over 10 miles?

If you dont have some endurance background the marathon will kill you mentally and you will soon be in a death march.


If I was you I would switch to the half. For the full one I would do something like run for 10 minutes and walk for 2 minutes, from the very beginning. In fact maybe even walk for the first 2 miles to let everyone clear out the way and force yourself to ignore your mind telling you to run. the hardest part about a marathon is pacing yourself , forcing yourself to go slow enough over the first 16 miles so the next 10 can be done running and not limping.
 
What is your longest recent run, how many miles do you run a week, how many times a week do you run over 10 miles?

I've ramped up my running recently, longest run was half marathon distance. Rest day today (wen't climbing) but the last 3 days I ran 3 * 10km CX.

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If you dont have some endurance background the marathon will kill you mentally and you will soon be in a death march.

I don't in running but I do in cycling and walking/hiking.

If I was you I would switch to the half. For the full one I would do something like run for 10 minutes and walk for 2 minutes, from the very beginning. In fact maybe even walk for the first 2 miles to let everyone clear out the way and force yourself to ignore your mind telling you to run. the hardest part about a marathon is pacing yourself , forcing yourself to go slow enough over the first 16 miles so the next 10 can be done running and not limping.

I felt the same, but today I was coming round to the full Marathon distance .:p I would love to tick the three events off in one month. I'll try and get a half marathon CX distance in tomorrow and see how I feel after but for now I'll stay optimistic. :D
 
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No specific recommendations but a friend always recommends getting some with replaceable spikes if possible as they can bend and with them being xc the spikes will be longer too.

I'll be after some myself but not purchasing until next month so will see what's about then.

In other news I ran a local 6 mile race yesterday in 39.25 and it had a few hills in it so I'm getting closer to breaking 40 minutes at 10K towards the end of the year I hope. First race in a while too where I felt I had my pacing spot on and managed a strong finish as well and stayed mentally strong throughout. :)

Which XC leagues are you entering?
 
Nice! That's definitely re-assuring, sure you'll break that 10k 40min mark this year.

I've really lost some desire to run at the moment, I think it's the mental grind of having a plan to follow since pretty much January this year has just taken it't toll!

The local one round here is the PECO league which my club entered last year so will probably get involved with that. Looking forward to the autumn/winter running this year! :)
 
Been running for about a month and did my longest distance yesterday at 4.5 miles. Pretty chuffed, as a few weeks ago I was in a state and couldn't run a mile without stopping. I'm sore all over today, particularly my back, which I didn't get from running 3 miles per run last week. (Although I haven't had a full night's kip which may account?)

I do need some proper running shoes now that I'm past the breathlessness stage. Felt I could just keep running (well jogging) but did a full circle and thought I'd stop.

Do I now look to simply up the distance, or focus on speed? My time is still pretty crap at around 8-9 mins per mile.
 
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Been running for about a month and did my longest distance yesterday at 4.5 miles. Pretty chuffed, as a few weeks ago I was in a state and couldn't run a mile without stopping. I'm sore all over today, particularly my back, which I didn't get from running 3 miles per run last week. (Although I haven't had a full night's kip which may account?)

I do need some proper running shoes now that I'm past the breathlessness stage. Felt I could just keep running (well jogging) but did a full circle and thought I'd stop.

Do I now look to simply up the distance, or focus on speed? My time is still pretty crap at around 8-9 mins per mile.

8-9min/mile is not crap or jogging, its respectable pace for a beginner. Whats your goal? if its distance up your mileage by 10% a week and follow a plan. If its speed, start doing fartlek, intervals or sprints once or twice a week.

oh and, book your first 10k race!
 
Ah that's good to hear the time is not bad. My goal is just to get fit really. Never done running or any kind of fitness/sport before, so just to stick at this and gradually get better is my goal. Getting rid of my flabby belly would also be a goal.

Never thought about doing a 10k race before. Definitely feels doable though.

Going on holiday to Tenerife in 2 days for a week, then I start my first year as an NQT a week after. Really hope I can keep up the running, as I enjoyed myself so much and felt great afterwards.
 
I've ramped up my running recently, longest run was half marathon distance. Rest day today (wen't climbing) but the last 3 days I ran 3 * 10km CX.

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I don't in running but I do in cycling and walking/hiking.



I felt the same, but today I was coming round to the full Marathon distance .:p I would love to tick the three events off in one month. I'll try and get a half marathon CX distance in tomorrow and see how I feel after but for now I'll stay optimistic. :D

I'll prefix everything by saying that I am beginner and only started serious running this year, I am training for my first marathon. What I say is based on what I have read, and my own experiences getting my casual 8-10mile runs to be at the 18mile distance, the longest I ever ran so far.

Given the time line and your distances I would say you are in over your head. I don't like to be pessimistic but I think to run a marathon you probably want to be running 40mile per week with long runs to around 18miles. Beginners probably want to have long runs going further, and have a second medium long run to 13-14miles per week. And have that training in place for 3 months.


E best thing you can do at the moment is sit on your arse most of the day. Read up on tapering. Day before eat as much simple carbs as comfortable). A run walk strategy is really going to be your best hope of a running finish and a reasonable time. It doesn't slow you down as much as you think ( if you spend 10% of your time going half the speed then you have only lost 5% of your time which is easily made up by recovering muscles).

The hardest thing about my marathon training is running slow enough to maintain endurance. You only have a certain amount of sugar in your body, once deplete you are burning fat which is very hard. Your aim is really to get your body to use as much fat as possible through the early part of the race so as much sugar is left for the end, or at least you have pushed "hitting the wall" to as late as possible. My understanding. Is beginners will run off the start line thinking they are running slow but they aren't, 10-12miles in they might start noticing and slow down a little, at 16-20miles they hit the wall and their muscles collapse.

Ideally, you want a negative split, so the second half ideally is faster than the first. Think about that when you leave the starting line. A load of people will pass at the start and it will feel like you are running slow and you will speed up, but this is. Is take that can't be recovered later. If you run slow at the start then 3 hours layers you have some hope of still running at a half decent pace, and with any luck you will start passing people that left too quick.

Remember that 20 miles is an incredibly long way to run, some thing most people just simply physically can't do, and you really need good physiological adaptations to run that distance. You then have a full 10k race to do on the tiredess legs imaginable. That is when training, pacing, blood sugar, strangely mental strength comes in. You then have up to an hour or so to suffer, and you want to minimize that suffering that last 10k gives plenty of time to over take others if you have paced yourself right, make up time, go for fast finish. Of course it gives plenty of time to suffer and drag your arse towards the finishing line.
 
Thanks for the feedback although I'm happy to say I completed the distance after also doing a 10K assault course the day before. Ultra marathon next weekend :)
 
Nice! That's definitely re-assuring, sure you'll break that 10k 40min mark this year.

I've really lost some desire to run at the moment, I think it's the mental grind of having a plan to follow since pretty much January this year has just taken it't toll!

The local one round here is the PECO league which my club entered last year so will probably get involved with that. Looking forward to the autumn/winter running this year! :)

Re-assuring but like yourself I've lost my way a little bit but I'll get it back. Did a lot of mid-week races and skipped my long runs a little too often.

My club have entered two leagues so I have around 9 races in total starting from October. Can't wait, will be my first attempt at XC. :)
 
I woke up with my whole body aching, which itself is a relatively common theme recently as I am training for a marathon, and yesterday did some interval training. But the stiffness was much more acute than normal, and way up my back. Thursdays are my crossfit/rest day where I typically do a few slow miles on a treadmill and then works some weights, mostly upper body. The easy miles typically get rid of any leg aches so I thought I would try the typcial regime, which worked and I felt much better walking back to the car.

But then 2 hours later my body was aching again, and I started feeling cold, really cold and shivering, and exhausted. No fever yet, and no other symptoms. With the flu I would always get a sore throat or something first.


y training has been prgressing steadily, I'm up to around 65 miles per week. Last Friday I did 18 miles, anew PR, Saturday I hiked 12 miles (active rest day), Sunday was an 8 mile gentle run, Monday a 14 miles MLR with progression (it was extremely tough this monday, in part due to heat), Tuesday 8 miles easy, Wednesday 11 miles with 5x0.5 miles fast laps.


Tomorrow is my long run again and I'm wondering what to do if I dio feel better by the morning? Next week I have a half as a pace setting run which means next week will be low miles, no long run, no intervals. I don't particularly want to loose another LR as after my half I will miss the next week due to vacation.


The sensible thing is probably to take a rest day but I guess I have an exercise addiction right now as I don't want to break my training regime. I was wondering if i feel much better I should g out for a 15 miler and try harder to slow down?
 
I'm just back running after 6 months off (6 months not moving, while starting up my own company, work til 2am most nights)

I've managed 1 run per week for the last 3 weeks. It's painful how much you lose it. :(

I ran the London Marathon last year and am now waddling around the (3.5 mile) block like fat Elvis
 
Have signed up for my first 1/2 on the 1st Nov so now to do a proper training plan....problem is I don't know what pace to be using. On a commute run last month I did 1/2 distance at 1:47 which was my longest run to date so I'd hope with 10 weeks following a real plan instead of randomly running I can hit 1:40. Today was day one, and I went out for an easy 40ish min run at held an average pace of 8:04 /mi which maybe was too quick for an easy run day?

I've signed up for the Strava training plan however it's completely lacking any pace guide, just says type of run to do and for how long, no distance or pace information.
 
Have signed up for my first 1/2 on the 1st Nov so now to do a proper training plan....problem is I don't know what pace to be using. On a commute run last month I did 1/2 distance at 1:47 which was my longest run to date so I'd hope with 10 weeks following a real plan instead of randomly running I can hit 1:40. Today was day one, and I went out for an easy 40ish min run at held an average pace of 8:04 /mi which maybe was too quick for an easy run day?

I've signed up for the Strava training plan however it's completely lacking any pace guide, just says type of run to do and for how long, no distance or pace information.

Have a look at this: http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/general/rws-training-pace-calculator/1676.html

Get yourself to a parkrun or such like (time trial style event) and go eyeballs out. Stick your time in there and it'll calculate your training pace zones.
 
Have a look at this: http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/general/rws-training-pace-calculator/1676.html

Get yourself to a parkrun or such like (time trial style event) and go eyeballs out. Stick your time in there and it'll calculate your training pace zones.

Ahhh thanking you. I had found that page and used my 1/2 time which suggested 9:31/mi, plugged in my best 5k effort (non race) and times are coming out much lower @ 8:23/mi, today I did 8:04 for 43 mins so wasn't too over for an easy run.

Will see if I can get to the local parkrun this Saturday to test that 5k but I've not been close to that pace for the last month or so.

Edit: Side question, for my rest/cross train days, are weights acceptable if I keep it to upper body?
 
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