playin blu ray though pc

You may find your PC is not 4k Blu-ray ready as I don't think the GTX 970 supports HDCP 2.2...

HDCP 2.2? Well all new 4K UHDTVs due to launch in 2015 are all HDCP 2.0 compatible and first wave of 4K Blu-ray players will be in stores at end of 2015.

Found out that it wont be called 4K Blu-ray. Blu-ray Disc Assocation confirmed it will be brand as Ultra HD Blu-ray, will supported HDCP 1.2 and 2.0.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/behind-screen/ces-ultra-hd-blu-ray-761728
 
HTPC with Blu-ray drive and VLC Media Player will always be cheapest, cost effective and future proof.

Years ago after bought £259 LG DVD recorder with 250GB HDD, I realised standalone DVD/Blu-ray players and recorders was really waste of money and expensive paperweights. It was worked great with my old LCDTV but 3 years later LCDTV died then I bought 1080p LED HDTV and found out DVD movies on LG DVD recorder had worst picture quality because it did not have 1080p upscaler!!! So the solution to the problem is I had to watch DVDs on PC as it already had 1080p upscaler. I never looked back ever and regretted bought LG DVD recorder.

It amazing my PC is 4K ready and 4K Blu-ray movie ready already years before it reach mainstream. People will have same problem I had when they find out their Blu-ray Players and recorders got image quality issues with brand new 4K UHDTVs because it do not have 4K upscalers. That same problem will drag on when Freeview move on from HD to 4K UHD channels soon and then in 5 years time with 8K HDTVs. People will have to spend fortune to kept upgrade TV and Blu-ray players so they will be better off with Mini PC and USB external Blu-ray drive.

You don't need 1080p scalers in DVD recorders. When they're being used with a 1080p TV then the TV quite happily scales the source signal to the panel resolution. It does this for any source signal, and that includes 576i (standard definition) TV signals and the same resolution recorded on any Standard Def recorder or 480p/576p played back from DVD.

If the recorder showed you poor picture quality on the new TV, then it's very likely it was a TV set-up issue; or maybe the larger screen (?) of the new TV allowed you to see the limits of DVD easier. The recorder/player having a 1080p scaler wouldn't really fix that.
 
You don't need 1080p scalers in DVD recorders. When they're being used with a 1080p TV then the TV quite happily scales the source signal to the panel resolution. It does this for any source signal, and that includes 576i (standard definition) TV signals and the same resolution recorded on any Standard Def recorder or 480p/576p played back from DVD.

If the recorder showed you poor picture quality on the new TV, then it's very likely it was a TV set-up issue; or maybe the larger screen (?) of the new TV allowed you to see the limits of DVD easier. The recorder/player having a 1080p scaler wouldn't really fix that.

You are absolutely wrong assumed HDTVs, players and recorders don't need upscalers and wrong once again assumed having 1080p upscaler wouldn't really fix it.

Here the link below will show you exactly same issue I faced with my old LG DVD recorder which is around 12 years old now did not have upscaler so either my Sharp LEDTV too.

http://www.rtings.com/info/4k-and-1080p-resolution-upscaling-explained

So have no 1080p upscalers on DVD recorder and HDTV had forced DVD's native 576i/p resolution to filled up all pixels on native 1080p resolution caused pixelated picture with grainy image quality, it not very pleasant and really ruined experience to watched DVD movies on it. My dad had same issue 2 years ago when he decided to dumped his 15 years old Sony Trinitron TV and replaced it with 40 inch Toshiba LEDTV, he found out his ancient VHS recorder displayed pixelated screen with grainy image quality as it was unwatchable. He borrowed my DVD recorder to tested it out had same issue then he researched about this issue on internet then decided to bought new £159 Liteon DVD/VHS Combo recorder with 1080p upscaler from Argos. When he took it home, plugged in and set new recorder to 1080p, inserted DVD movies and VHS tapes in it to see all pixelated and grainy image quality finally disappeared on new HDTV, the image quality is very stunning and enjoyment to watch. :)

Unfortunately millions people will face same issues when they bought cheap brand new 4K UHDTVs less than £500 as they don't have 4K upscalers, only available in very expensive models over £500 has 4K upscalers build-in so they will need to get rid of cheap Blu-ray players and replace it with £150 4K upscaler Blu-ray players to £299 4K upscaler Blu-ray Freeview HD HDD recorders or buy Ultra HD Blu-ray players to watch it in native 4K resolution.

Same issues will still occur with next generation native 8K resolution.
 
if it didnt have an upscaler built in, one of two things would happen: 1) you'd get a small image in the middle of the screen or 2) you'd get no image at all.

if a tv accepts a non-native signal, and displays it full-screen, then it's upscaled and it'll have a scaler built in. quality can vary wildly across the board, however.

He borrowed my DVD recorder to tested it out had same issue then he researched about this issue on internet then decided to bought new £159 Liteon DVD/VHS Combo recorder with 1080p upscaler from Argos. When he took it home, plugged in and set new recorder to 1080p, inserted DVD movies and VHS tapes in it to see all pixelated and grainy image quality finally disappeared on new HDTV, the image quality is very stunning and enjoyment to watch. :)

I bought a 1080p upsclaing DVD player back when i had my sony 40w2000 tv. it made no difference whatsoever.
 
if it didnt have an upscaler built in, one of two things would happen: 1) you'd get a small image in the middle of the screen or 2) you'd get no image at all.

if a tv accepts a non-native signal, and displays it full-screen, then it's upscaled and it'll have a scaler built in. quality can vary wildly across the board, however.

Interesting, on DVD recorder and DVD VHS Combo recorder both get small image on middle of 4:3 screen because it output at 480i/p, I changed it to 576i/p and it filled up on top and bottom of middle screen but still got 2 black bars at right and left side so I found a workaround with 4:3 Stretch to filled into full screen but it not pretty.

I bought a 1080p upsclaing DVD player back when i had my sony 40w2000 tv. it made no difference whatsoever.

Hmmm maybe you were output it to 1080i that probably made no difference accorded to rtings.com questions so try output it to 1080p that should make a difference.
 
Rather than make a new thread, thought I'd ask here.

Seeing as the general advice is buy a standalone player, are there any particular recommendations for models around the £40-50 mark? Or shall I go to the old rainforest and find any old player with a decent rating? I don't need it to be smart or any of that nonsense. I just want something fairly quiet, quick to boot up and won't end up scratching up the discs.

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OK, change of plan. I was hoping that getting them to play multiple region Blu Rays would be as simple as current DVD players, but apparently not. It turns out multi region Blu Ray players cost a minimum of £150, and might require a voltage converter/transformer or something? This is a bit more complicated than I had anticipated...
 
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I wouldn't bother trying to buy a Multi-Region Blu-ray player. The vast majority of Blu-rays from the USA should playback on players over here. Look on blu-ray.com for most discs, the site should tell you what regions the disc covers (ours is region B)

A blu-ray player that plays back Multi-Region DVD's is another matter. Some blu-ray players can be 'hacked' to do this by pressing a few buttons on the remote, others with a firmware update but that depends on the make & model. The rainforest has a few Sony models available with this feature for around 80 notes.
 
You are absolutely wrong assumed HDTVs, players and recorders don't need upscalers and wrong once again assumed having 1080p upscaler wouldn't really fix it.

Here the link below will show you exactly same issue I faced with my old LG DVD recorder which is around 12 years old now did not have upscaler so either my Sharp LEDTV too.

http://www.rtings.com/info/4k-and-1080p-resolution-upscaling-explained

I think you've misunderstood scaling in general, and so also misunderstood my post and also misunderstood what the article you used as justification was actually trying to show you.

A TV accepts many different resolutions. Each resolution that is lower than the native panel resolution must therefore be upscaled by the TV in order for the image to fill the panel correctly.

TVs have to have scalers built-in otherwise SD broadcast images and R2 DVD would appear as a 720w x 576h pixel postage stamp image within a 1920w x 1080h pixel window.

All things being equal, doing this scaling in a DVD player before sending the image to the TV is exactly the same as the TV scaling the image for itseld. The process is the same: 576p becomes 1080p. It's simply a question of where the process occurs.

However, paying extra for a DVD player or freeview recorder or whatever device solely because it has a 1080p scaler built-in is a complete waste of money when the TV already has an upscaler built in which, as detailed above, it has to have.

If there is a justification for upscaling in source devices then it's simply this: The TV you bough has a crap scaler. The DVD player/recorder etc does a better job. But that's the only situation.

So have no 1080p upscalers on DVD recorder and HDTV had forced DVD's native 576i/p resolution to filled up all pixels on native 1080p resolution caused pixelated picture with grainy image quality, it not very pleasant and really ruined experience to watched DVD movies on it.
1) Did you purposely scramble the order of the words and mix up the tenses too, or is that really exactly how you thought the paragraph should read?

2) You either bought a poor quality TV, or had it set with all the picture "improvement" settings on maximum which then just makes the picture look mince.

576i/p images are going to look soft compared to HD on a large flatscreen TV. But there's no reason why they can't be enjoyed. I routinely install home cinema projectors for clients where the screen size is in excess of 100" diagonal and their media library spans Blu-ray, DVD and even Laser Disc which is 480i/576i composite video. With decent gear and proper set-up all are viable media choices.

My dad had same issue 2 years ago when he decided to dumped his 15 years old Sony Trinitron TV and replaced it with 40 inch Toshiba LEDTV, he found out his ancient VHS recorder displayed pixelated screen with grainy image quality as it was unwatchable. He borrowed my DVD recorder to tested it out had same issue then he researched about this issue on internet then decided to bought new £159 Liteon DVD/VHS Combo recorder with 1080p upscaler from Argos. When he took it home, plugged in and set new recorder to 1080p, inserted DVD movies and VHS tapes in it to see all pixelated and grainy image quality finally disappeared on new HDTV, the image quality is very stunning and enjoyment to watch. :)
Flatscreens struggle with VHS: Period. The sync signal is too unstable for the average flatscreen to lock on to. This creates huge problems for any scaler.

His experiences with your DVD recorder and the Lite-On is exactly the same issue as I pointed out before; a poor quality TV and/or bad choices in the picture settings. The Toshiba TV still has a scaler, it's either not a very good one or the TVs picture adjustments are set incorrectly for SD sources. Giving the TV a 1080p picture simply bypassed some of those issues.

Unfortunately millions people will face same issues when they bought cheap brand new 4K UHDTVs less than £500 as they don't have 4K upscalers,
Er.... no the won't. Because those 4K TVs will have to have scalers too otherwise they'd be useless with anything except a 4K signal.


only available in very expensive models over £500 has 4K upscalers build-in so they will need to get rid of cheap Blu-ray players and replace it with £150 4K upscaler Blu-ray players to £299 4K upscaler Blu-ray Freeview HD HDD recorders or buy Ultra HD Blu-ray players to watch it in native 4K resolution.

Same issues will still occur with next generation native 8K resolution.
Sorry, but that's complete codswallop too.
 
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