Therefore it is not necessary to pay them. If a player doesn't want to play for england because he won't get paid then obviously he's in it for the wrong reasons. Without payment then, every england player who chooses to play when called upon does so for the glory. For glory to follow it means playing with passion and conviction and working hard. Only when this happens will we stand a chance of doing well.
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They'd be better off spending it on football lessons.
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Aw bless. A commendable yet laughable and naive notion from fans. Footballers are people like us and will follow the ££ like we would given the chance. Playing for the national team comes second to playing for the club that pays their wages. It's just the way things are.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18154487
I accidentally sort of summarised the gist of thoughts in there, but read # 25
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18154487
I accidentally sort of summarised the gist of thoughts in there, but read # 25
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So you're honestly saying that none, or hardly any of them would play for england, in the biggest tournament in the world, which only comes round once every four years, if they weren't paid, even though they all earn millions a year? That's really ******* sad and precisely why we're so crap.
If it was me and I was rooney I'd turn down international football anyway. I'd rather prolong my club career and continue to play at the highest level, CL football.
I think thats half the reason so many of the big teams, Spain, Italy, Germany, England and France have struggled to get up for it.
I would honestly have expected Everton to win 3-0 against algeria.
It makes me laugh when people say England players can't perform on the highest level, well they already do the CL. There isn't a team in the competition that would be rated higher than the best 8 or so from champs league.
I think thats half the reason so many of the big teams, Spain, Italy, Germany, England and France have struggled to get up for it.
I would honestly have expected Everton to win 3-0 against algeria.
It makes me laugh when people say England players can't perform on the highest level, well they already do the CL. There isn't a team in the competition that would be rated higher than the best 8 or so from champs league.
Surely the glory you would gain and hero worship you'd achieve by scoring for england and possibly even winning a world cup would be a far far higher accolade than scoring just for your league team? I mean the whole country would bow to you.
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Not quite, read my second point, I'm just saying on the scale of importance, it doesn't come top. And mainly that the rose tinted fans' views of international football is very different to those that are on the pitch.
*shrugs* C'est la vie.
Bingo.
See above. The state of Champion's League and Premier League have slightly warped things in football. Rugby - certainly yes; Cricket - yes; tennis - yes; Football - Na.
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Look at the team from 1966, they are immortalised here in England. Surely that kind of respect from a nation is worth more than the Champions league could EVER offer?
I don't understand why you would not give 110% for a team that is in it's country's hearts. Sure club level brings prestige, but if we were to win the World Cup with this team, the likes of Gerrard and Rooney would join the immortals of 1966. Personally, money doesn't even come close to that.
I don't understand why you would not give 110% for a team that is in it's country's hearts. Sure club level brings prestige, but if we were to win the World Cup with this team, the likes of Gerrard and Rooney would join the immortals of 1966. Personally, money doesn't even come close to that.
It's all about money, nothing more. If the players don't have enough pride to make their country their number one priority just once every 4 years, why are the fans wasting their time and money? Overpaid chavs like rooney insult fans, some of which spent thousands and even remortgaged supporting england this summer, the kind of money rooney earns in half a day. It's a disgrace.
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Again, that's very noble of you to think that.
But football's just a very different game now. I'm sure I'm not the only person who's a much bigger domestic fan than an international fan.
Perhaps, but unfortunately fans and players are lured by different carrots.
(I'm sorry, that's a crap analogy but I'm having to deal with a rather serious hangover).
If it's money the poor england players need to be lured to play for their country (because lord knows, they sure are eating hand to mouth) then how about making their earnings in the form of prize money? That way they only earn money if they deserve it. That would (should) inspire them to get motivated.
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Perhaps, but I'm sure domestic managers would quickly raise an issue with that.
People here are so niave if they think International comes before club and CL. The pressure put on from club managers to miss friendlies says it all.
Jesus, sol campbell played about 3 england friendlies in his career. Gerrard gets back injuries on a wednesday that clear up by saturday. Rooney gets groin injuries and so on.
You can't learn to play as a unit when friendlies are seen as games to miss.
The CL is the highest level these players can play at, who can blame them for putting that first.
Jesus, sol campbell played about 3 england friendlies in his career. Gerrard gets back injuries on a wednesday that clear up by saturday. Rooney gets groin injuries and so on.
You can't learn to play as a unit when friendlies are seen as games to miss.
The CL is the highest level these players can play at, who can blame them for putting that first.
I find the big difference between playing for your club and country is where you leave your mark in the history of football. There have been some awesome club players, but until you perform for your country and potentially lift that world cup you will not go down in history (outside your own country of origin or playing) with the worlds best players.
You don't have to win the world cup. You just have to perform at International level to get world recognition. I can only imagine the amount of people that never cared for Messi before this world cup, or those that didn't even know Zidane before 1998. The list is endless. Even Roger Milla made his mark.
The bottom line is you play well for your club, then you get picked for your country and the world cup is where everybody is watching. Not just your own fans.
You don't have to win the world cup. You just have to perform at International level to get world recognition. I can only imagine the amount of people that never cared for Messi before this world cup, or those that didn't even know Zidane before 1998. The list is endless. Even Roger Milla made his mark.
The bottom line is you play well for your club, then you get picked for your country and the world cup is where everybody is watching. Not just your own fans.
Lol no one knew about Messi before WC2010? this is the problem with fair weather football fans, they watch one tournament and are instant experts (not a pop at you Rumblebee).
People have to realise, International footy is a lose lose situation for players and managers alike, unless you win the damn thing, or do something stupid, you'll hardly ever be remembered, all you get is flak from us armchair FM2010 playing fans, a set of bad results and its drop em all and gazza and shearer back in the team
Time to get some perspective,im not excusing the pee poor performance last night, but you gotta say,with the weight of our expectations, the players must be under ridiculous amounts of pressure, and dont cite the amount of money they are on, they are only human after all.
People have to realise, International footy is a lose lose situation for players and managers alike, unless you win the damn thing, or do something stupid, you'll hardly ever be remembered, all you get is flak from us armchair FM2010 playing fans, a set of bad results and its drop em all and gazza and shearer back in the team
Time to get some perspective,im not excusing the pee poor performance last night, but you gotta say,with the weight of our expectations, the players must be under ridiculous amounts of pressure, and dont cite the amount of money they are on, they are only human after all.
Yeah fair enough, but my wife never heard of him and neither did my son. They watch, then are entertained, they remember. If they are young they go outside and copy. If the footballers play in another country and don't play in the world cup they don't get seen by my wife or my son. Obviously my son will appreciate overseas players more when he gets older, but that's not the point. The World cup is for everyone in the world. The world is watching and if these English players prefer playing club football it's there choice. The looks on some of the nations playing certainly tell a different story.
I quite fancied myself as a young Karl-Heinz Rummenigge when I was 9. Boy even saying the name brings back memories. oh how I remember swapping stickers in the playground then strutting my stuff at the local park.
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No they get paid that much because they're at the top of their profession, and more likely because us mugs have expensive license fees and Sky subscriptions.
The pressure was the same before the emergence of the Premier League then Champion's League.
The pressure was the same before the emergence of the Premier League then Champion's League.
Well I WILL cite the money.
Why should we expect anything from them, 40 odd years since our lucky win in 66, surely by know we should start to realise, we aint that good.
Just cos some folk spent 4k on having a nice holiday, that automatically gives them the right to demand excellence, give over
And they dont get paid all that much for playing for England.