Playstation 3 US release delayed until Q1 2007.

[DanSolo]

Lets be honest here, the fact that Sony clearly has hundreds of brainboxes working on the PS3 i think they understand whats going on with their console and the 360. So people saying they have dropped the ball, its poo, under-spec'd, etc. Do you think 100+ Sony jap bods havent worked it out and are going to do something about it, if they already haven't?

I mean come on the PS1 and 2 are the most successful consoles to date and the PSP is pretty ground breaking! It wouldnt even use the Nintendo DS as toilet paper! (sorry but they are pretty pants!) I think you need to wait until PS3 is released to comment on it!

Hmm hint of fanboi.

Sony have dropped the ball on the PS3, which is clearly demonstrated by them continually pushing the release date back, and comments from several devs that it will be barely more powerful than the 360. You cant really argue with that.

Sure the ps1 and ps2 were successfull, that wasnt due to their specs as they were inferior to what was out at the time (saturn/n64, dreamcast) It was just the huge hype, they dont have that now, microsoft has won the hype war this generation with nintendo picking up 2nd place as far as hype goes. They will be releasing a new product 12months late to a market already saturated by microsoft and nintendo.

The PSP is not ground breaking at all tbh, its just the bstard child of a ps2 and ps1, nothing new brought to the table, just the same old ports, but with worse graphics, worse controls, a terrible proprietory movie format, need i go on. Sure it wouldnt use the DS as toilet paper as they are flying off the shelves. For example the DS is pretty much pounding the PSP in all regions sales wise, yet take a trip to your local gamestation and stare in amazement at the dozens upon dozens of second hand PSP, and the 2-6 DS. The DS is groundbreaking, new control system, full wireless internet gaming, large battery life, excellent games, backwards compatability with Gameboy advance games, i really coluld go on forever. You wont like what ive had to say, but it seems that you are obviously caught up in the sony hype machine and have no idea of what makes a decent console or gaming experience, so please go back to reading the official sony propaganda monthly magazine.

IMO this generation will be:
1)Microsoft
=2)Nintendo and Sony.

Handheld wise:
1)Nintendo
2)Sony.

Sony really are a useless company, if you dont thing so i urge you to go read some reviews of their consumer products, a large majority of which are over priced, underspecced and of poor quality.

 

[FeFiDoh]

What i mean in my post krono the games may not appear a lot better to DD but when u compare then overall there is a lot more going on in the races on PGR3 compared to GT4 where u have very inclosed tracks and not much scenery. Thats why to me 30fps isnt a problem when u dont have a straight forward racer and have so much more going on around you as it makes the game much nicer experience.

Will be interesting to see what the PS3 will do tho as they say the specs are pretty much even but the PS3 "should" be able to handle more of the same, so should mean nice big environments

 

[McManicMan]

One thing I noticed on the 360 over the Xbox and this will be more so in the case of the PS3 I assume (from what I have read)

Is the shear number of things happening on the screen at the same time. There may not be that much a noticeable graphics improvement as of yet. The number of things happening simultaneously is unnerving to say the least. Gaming will become more challenging as a result.

That is so very true, Kameo is one of these games that highlights this well but you still get people saying it could be done on a xbox, lol, maybe it could but half the background and stuff going on in it would be missing and the detail would be a lot lower.

 

[Abyss]

Because i really dont rate them as a decent company. For example in every market they occupy they supply inferior products at vastly inflated prices, basically all of their consumer products are over priced and underspeced, as is evident by the fact that the PS department is propping up the entire company.
Take a look at the shelves in your local game shop, 95% of the PS2 games are useless cash-ins. Sony bring very little to the table in the way of decent games, whereas microsoft and ninty both have an excellent lineup.

the Gaming sector is by no means "propping up" the entire company. It is a key contributing factor, but sectors such as Sony Pictures and Sony Finance are more valuable at the moment. Sony's most valuable sector is that of its Electronics, which yes are performing poorly now that the CRT and Walkman bubble has burst, but the company is undergoing huge transformation by Sir Howard Stringer in an attempt to rectify its recent losses due to electronics, something that is already evident with the new Bravia range of TVs.


I can understand why Sony are happy delaying the PS3 for a long period though. To enter the market now, where consumer spending is low (e.g. January-June) and the market is stimulated by the xbox would give them little benefit. They can't compete with the xbox as the PS3 is more expensive and Microsoft are already selling at a huge loss.

However, if Sony wait until the 360 is no longer a new console, it is a lot easier to market a console as being cutting edge, and features can be implemented so as to diffferentiate the product from that of Microsofts. This makes it easy to entice the market into purchasing the new product. Bear in mind, how a product is perceived is more important than its actual specification.

 

[dirtydog]

i agree with rich, dirty dog imo the games have a large GFX difference from the xbox to the 360, i dont have a HDTV either, and then you bring up the 30fps thing again, which we established in the last thread that 30fps was entirly playable, hell i enjoyed the game, im not a 360 fanboy but i get peeved when someone is making the same comments, broken record mate

NOT that i am saying you shouldnt voice your opinion, but we know the points on the 360 and the way you feel

please dont take this as a personal attack, but just try the 360 and its 30 fps games etc 1st, its like me saying that the DS is carp , but i havent played on it, im still entitled to my opinion of it, just people will think im talking *******

I mentioned 30fps again *purely* to point out that the 360 version of NFS:MW isn't better than the Xbox version in that respect. I always hesitate to bring up that subject as I know I will be jumped on, but I thought this was an acceptable context to do so. I say these things to try and back up my comments with an explanation, rather than just saying 'some 360 games are not much better than on the Xbox' and leaving it at that.

Do you think all 360 games have a large graphical difference compared to the Xbox then?

 

[DanSolo]

the Gaming sector is by no means "propping up" the entire company. It is a key contributing factor, but sectors such as Sony Pictures and Sony Finance are more valuable at the moment. Sony's most valuable sector is that of its Electronics, which yes are performing poorly now that the CRT and Walkman bubble has burst, but the company is undergoing huge transformation by Sir Howard Stringer in an attempt to rectify its recent losses due to electronics, something that is already evident with the new Bravia range of TVs.


I can understand why Sony are happy delaying the PS3 for a long period though. To enter the market now, where consumer spending is low (e.g. January-June) and the market is stimulated by the xbox would give them little benefit. They can't compete with the xbox as the PS3 is more expensive and Microsoft are already selling at a huge loss.

However, if Sony wait until the 360 is no longer a new console, it is a lot easier to market a console as being cutting edge, and features can be implemented so as to diffferentiate the product from that of Microsofts. This makes it easy to entice the market into purchasing the new product. Bear in mind, how a product is perceived is more important than its actual specification.

The Sony gaming dept is/was among the only parts of the Sony corporation which is actually performing well, and to some degree they are propping up the rest of the company, as is evident in their strategy for the PS3. Support for blue ray - propping up a new standard and in turn their movie departments, also the use of HDTV output on the ps3 will in turn prop up their TV department. Even the new bravia TV's are overpriced and underspecced compared to the competition, the bravia tv's and their pricing is just another mistake in Sony’s catalogue.

Valid point regarding consumer spending, well it would be if the hardware was ready to ship, which is isn’t. Hence no release date. If the developer comments are to be believed Sony wont be able to demonstrate the ps3's "superiority" as it wont be, or at best be marginally better than the 360.

Fair point regarding the Xbox 360 not being "new" at the time of the PS3 release. But also bear in mind that if it is not significantly more powerful/feature packed, it will not stand a chance against the Xbox. The Xbox will be much cheaper, similarly specced and have a massive library of games, including "players choice" games which will be sold at lower prices. Sony do not have time to implement any major changes to the PS3 design, hell they cant even get the current design out of the factory.

fyi: i do not own either an Xbox, xbox360 or a PS2.

 

[dirtydog]

Fair point regarding the Xbox 360 not being "new" at the time of the PS3 release. But also bear in mind that if it is not significantly more powerful/feature packed, it will not stand a chance against the Xbox.

I can't agree with that.. it will surely fly off the shelves on the strength of the Playstation name alone, almost regardless of the console's merits. Also as was said earlier, most people care about the games not the technical specs and features. (edit - to back up that last comment, just look at PS2 sales vs Xbox1 sales, even though the latter is probably twice as powerful)

 

[da_mic_1530]

dirtydog is right there, brand loyalty will keep sales high, but i feel not quite as high as they expect, sony have lost a lot of respect from this type of market (techy 16 -30) i for one have lost faith in them, but many others will buy

 

[Davey_Pitch]

I can't agree with that.. it will surely fly off the shelves on the strength of the Playstation name alone, almost regardless of the console's merits. Also as was said earlier, most people care about the games not the technical specs and features. (edit - to back up that last comment, just look at PS2 sales vs Xbox1 sales, even though the latter is probably twice as powerful)

You're right in that brand loyalty counts for a lot, but I think Microsoft won over a lot of people with the Xbox. Most people expected it to be a poor console, but as time went on more and more people realised it was a great console, with games that matched and in some cases beat the PS2 counterparts. There will come a time when brand loyalty will be pushed aside if there aren't good enough games behind it. Of course, I'm sure the PS3 will have some fantastic games on it, just as the 360 and Revolution will, but I feel as time goes on the brand name of the PS3 means less as more and more gamers are realising that the 360 really is a good console, and that Xbox Live is almost worth buying the console for on it's own.

I actually like the competition between the 3, it keeps everyone working hard to produce better consoles and better games at better prices, meaning we as consumers get to choose which platform and which game we like the best.

 

[DanSolo]

Sure Sony have a large brand name leverage. NBut now microsoft have the incentive. I honestly think it is naive to compare previous generations sales when talking about the current generation. Microsoft imo have pretty much decimated sonys target audience, give that another 10 months and there arent gonna be a lot of people who dont have an Xbox, the 360 will be the talk of the playgrounds and will soar due to this. The average PS2 user does not keep track of technical advancements, they just grab onto a brand name, which i honestly believe will be microsoft this generation. The previous generation microsoft were the newboys on the horizon, now they are the norm. Sales will be high, due to brand name, but if there is nothing to show that the PS3 is a superior/different experience, it will suffer, badly.

 

[dirtydog]

You're right in that brand loyalty counts for a lot, but I think Microsoft won over a lot of people with the Xbox. Most people expected it to be a poor console, but as time went on more and more people realised it was a great console, with games that matched and in some cases beat the PS2 counterparts. There will come a time when brand loyalty will be pushed aside if there aren't good enough games behind it.

I agree that brand loyalty only gets you (or rather Sony) so far. It's the games that will make or break the console. There will still be some compelling Playstation exclusives like Gran Turismo, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Final Fantasy, Ace Combat etc.

I actually like the competition between the 3, it keeps everyone working hard to produce better consoles and better games at better prices, meaning we as consumers get to choose which platform and which game we like the best.

Yes absolutely - this is why I don't understand some people who want the PS3 to be a flop. It is in our interests as gamers for there to be strong competition as it keeps the quality of games high and prices low (or lower than they'd be with only one successful console).

 

[dirtydog]

Sure Sony have a large brand name leverage. NBut now microsoft have the incentive. I honestly think it is naive to compare previous generations sales when talking about the current generation. Microsoft imo have pretty much decimated sonys target audience, give that another 10 months and there arent gonna be a lot of people who dont have an Xbox, the 360 will be the talk of the playgrounds and will soar due to this.

You may be right that MS have an opportunity to tempt some PS2 owners who perhaps haven't tried an Xbox before (the original one). I'm not so sure the 360 will be a big hit in Japan though as the Japanese don't seem to like buying non-Japanese consoles?

The average PS2 user does not keep track of technical advancements, they just grab onto a brand name

That sounds like a slight generalisation?

if there is nothing to show that the PS3 is a superior/different experience, it will suffer, badly.

It doesn't have to be superior IMO, it just needs to be as good as the 360 technically and to have good games of its own and it will be a success.

 

[DanSolo]

You may be right that MS have an opportunity to tempt some PS2 owners who perhaps haven't tried an Xbox before (the original one). I'm not so sure the 360 will be a big hit in Japan though as the Japanese don't seem to like buying non-Japanese consoles?
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Sure but the japanese market is starting to look small in comparison to the growing european and US market.

That sounds like a slight generalisation?
.

Sure, but thumbing through the plethora of PS2 magazines and they way they are written for the target audience demonstrates this, needless to say not all PS2 owners buy monthly publications to keep upto date.

It doesn't have to be superior IMO, it just needs to be as good as the 360 technically and to have good games of its own and it will be a success.

i disagree, with the sort of market penetration that the 360 is making now, the PS3 is in for a rough ride, not to mention the title of this thread "Playstation 3 US release delayed until Q1 2007. " thats a hell of a lot of stockings that are gonna be filled with 360/revo's

 

[dirtydog]

We'll see, it's going to be interesting for sure

Personally I only got my first Xbox a few months ago so that's still new to me.. despite being four years old. So I'm not in any desperate rush to upgrade to the 'next gen' yet and there are still a few games coming out for this generation yet too.. Toca 3, Black, OutRun 2006 etc..

 

[Manlove is my forte]

What i mean in my post krono the games may not appear a lot better to DD but when u compare then overall there is a lot more going on in the races on PGR3 compared to GT4 where u have very inclosed tracks and not much scenery. Thats why to me 30fps isnt a problem when u dont have a straight forward racer and have so much more going on around you as it makes the game much nicer experience.

Will be interesting to see what the PS3 will do tho as they say the specs are pretty much even but the PS3 "should" be able to handle more of the same, so should mean nice big environments

I think you and I are saying the same thing

 

[McManicMan]

all i won't to know is what the final price will be, lets hope they don't go the PSP route and massively overprice it.

 

[Journey]

I really hope that on release on the last day of spring in Japan (20th June) that they have enough stock to satisfy demand, or it could end up being a virtual paper launch, and anyone who has bought a graphics card knows how annoying that can be. By the time any real stock becomes available there is a new one due out

As far as I can tell especially with the younger console owners the appeal of the now available Xbox 360 will spread quickly, one kid at school gets one, his mate Timmy goes and plays on it and decides he really wants one, and how cool it is, then it starts from there like a virus spreading. All it will take is one kick ass game that gets on the news for being too violent or have sex scenes in it and boom you have demand. Mean while back in the Sony camp they are providing weird betting games to the 9 PS3 owners in the Japanese market, while the rest of the world sits and twiddles its thumbs on a 360 controller.

Blu-ray has/is killing the PS3 before it's even out, DirtDog said something about not being able to notice Gfx improvments due to not having an HDTV well the same applies to Bluray, whats the point? You have 200 DVD's the 360 can play them on your non HDTV so why wait? I'll tell you who the Blu-ray is for, the japanese 'cause everyone in Japan has HDTV! So they launch the console there first where everyone can benefit from it from the word go. EU & USA = MS Territory for the next 12 months at least.

Side note: PS3 on Ebay going cheap £2000 I can see it, really I can.

 

[Nanoman]

Hmm hint of fanboi.

I own a 360!

Sony have dropped the ball on the PS3, which is clearly demonstrated by them continually pushing the release date back, and comments from several devs that it will be barely more powerful than the 360. You cant really argue with that.

Let be honest here, nearly every single console/electronic device etc. has thier release date pushed back a bit, it always happens, its just marketing/production techniques and blunders! And comments, you mean rumours. Anyway as many people have said its not just down to specs, but games, i mean the PS2 has a much higher gamebase over any console in that gen, i wonder why eh?!

Sure the ps1 and ps2 were successfull, that wasnt due to their specs as they were inferior to what was out at the time (saturn/n64, dreamcast)

What you mean like PS3 will be to 360.

The PSP is not ground breaking at all tbh, its just the bstard child of a ps2 and ps1, nothing new brought to the table, just the same old ports, but with worse graphics, worse controls, a terrible proprietory movie format, need i go on.

lol...it has the best graphics for a handheld console to date! Seriously go and have a look at some DS game reviews, say NFS-MW for example and compare the so called worse graphics and controls for the same game!

Sure it wouldnt use the DS as toilet paper as they are flying off the shelves. For example the DS is pretty much pounding the PSP in all regions sales wise, yet take a trip to your local gamestation and stare in amazement at the dozens upon dozens of second hand PSP, and the 2-6 DS.

Its not really pounding it at all! Especially considering the DS has been out much longer, and they are cheap! The only reason why there are 2-6 DS' in gamestation is because they only fetch like <£50 second hand! People must be thinking: "Sod it, i may as well just deal with the fact I brought a 2 screened fugly gameboy and just "use" it."

The DS is groundbreaking, new control system, full wireless internet gaming, large battery life, excellent games, backwards compatability with Gameboy advance games, i really coluld go on forever.

Again lol...mate you need to buy a psp, as you clearly have never used one and havent been introduced to homebrew. It has all that and much more, much better graphics and games and it doesnt look like roadkill! Gameboy Advanced?!?! lol...ok, well thanks, if i want to take a trip back 10 years, ill just load an GBA emulator on my psp.

You wont like what ive had to say, but it seems that you are obviously caught up in the sony hype machine and have no idea of what makes a decent console or gaming experience, so please go back to reading the official sony propaganda monthly magazine.

No mate, i aint caught up in anything, and i own an Xbox360 (yea you're probably right i have no idea what a decent console or gaming experience is ) I just think its stupid that a few anti-sony bods, like yourself, are critising something thats not even been produced yet.

Sony really are a useless company, if you dont thing so i urge you to go read some reviews of their consumer products, a large majority of which are over priced, underspecced and of poor quality.

Fair enough, but if they're really useless, underspecced, etc. why are they so successful? I don't mean to be rude or anything, but you call me a sony fanboy, but you're really just a sony hater nazi.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

I think this is going decidedly off-topic if it's descending into PSP vs DS arguments. Drop it please or the thread gets locked.

 

[Journey]

Sorry Davey, it was intended as a friendly peice of banter, the lack of a '' I guess didn't make it appear that way, however I do agree some people may ahve made it seem like a good way to start an argument.