PlayStation 4 Pro in-bound

robfosters · 15 Sep 2016 at 13:38

FrankJH said:
Depends how much you value yuor time at fixing windows issues, installing new drivers to cure issues. gfx profiles etc etc etc

PC's and consoles are aimed (generally) at completely different users. Consoles are for people to pick up (and drop) when /where they fancy without worrying too much about whether it will work in a month or two if you havent touched it. Try that with Windows and you will have a mountain of updates forced on you for an hr or so before you can even start gaming (and potentially have more issues because of those updates).

Ive come form pc gaming back in the day and for the last 5% of performance (for the price) its definitely worth it - but for more casual gamers the consoles - of your personal favourite variety - are just as much worth while

To be fair, I seem to spend quite a lot of my PS4 time now downloading system and software updates. God knows how big the 4K patches will be!

mid_gen · 15 Sep 2016 at 13:53

robfosters said:
God knows how big the 4K patches will be!

No different, all the PS4 pro demos were using the same assets as the regular PS4 stuff. 4k display resolution doesn't mean 4k textures.

Boomstick777 · 15 Sep 2016 at 13:58

The Digital Foundry comparison shows that as well as having to use up-scaling resulting in a blurry image, the Tomb Raider game has missing graphical effects, lower shadows and same textures as Xbox 1 version.

Def nothing to see here, better off with GTX 1070 or waiting and seeing what the Xbox Scorpio is like next year imho.

Of course if you have money to burn then sure grab a PS4 'Pro' as it will be the best 'PlayStation' to date. But it really isn't anything special. Sony will make so much profit on these, selling this already dated hardware (Dated at launch way back) and just adding a few more GPU shaders is genius.

Sony will rake it in, for most consumers nothing to get excited about.

robfosters · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:08

Boomstick777 said:
The Digital Foundry comparison shows that as well as having to use up-scaling resulting in a blurry image, the Tomb Raider game has missing graphical effects, lower shadows and same textures as Xbox 1 version.

Def nothing to see here, better off with GTX 1070 or waiting and seeing what the Xbox Scorpio is like next year imho.

Of course if you have money to burn then sure grab a PS4 'Pro' as it will be the best 'PlayStation' to date. But it really isn't anything special. Sony will make so much profit on these, selling this already dated hardware (Dated at launch way back) and just adding a few more GPU shaders is genius.

Sony will rake it in, for most consumers nothing to get excited about.

I would think about it if the 1070 was all I needed, but my system would bottleneck a 1070. I would need upgraded CPU, ram and mobo, and I would need a 4K monitor, so the price starts getting a bit out of hand. I would be looking at well over a grand, and the visual difference wouldn't be worth it IMO.

MOOGLEYS · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:16

Boomstick777 said:
The Digital Foundry comparison shows that as well as having to use up-scaling resulting in a blurry image, the Tomb Raider game has missing graphical effects, lower shadows and same textures as Xbox 1 version.

Def nothing to see here, better off with GTX 1070 or waiting and seeing what the Xbox Scorpio is like next year imho.

Of course if you have money to burn then sure grab a PS4 'Pro' as it will be the best 'PlayStation' to date. But it really isn't anything special. Sony will make so much profit on these, selling this already dated hardware (Dated at launch way back) and just adding a few more GPU shaders is genius.

Sony will rake it in, for most consumers nothing to get excited about.

Surely if you have money to burn you would get a PC. I thought tomb raider looked great on Xbox one tbh.....

oweneades · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:16

Boomstick777 said:
The Digital Foundry comparison shows that as well as having to use up-scaling resulting in a blurry image, the Tomb Raider game has missing graphical effects, lower shadows and same textures as Xbox 1 version.

Def nothing to see here, better off with GTX 1070 or waiting and seeing what the Xbox Scorpio is like next year imho.

Or wait and see how other cross platform (PS4 / PS4 pro) games fair when put under the microscope.

For all we know TR could either be a bad example (or lazy) or a perfect example of what you can expect.

I already have a GTX 1070 based gaming desktop (sat behind the TV for VR purposes). My consoles serve a different gaming purpose.

Boomstick777 · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:19

MOOGLEYS said:
Surely if you have money to burn you would get a PC. I thought tomb raider looked great on Xbox one tbh.....

Yeah well if you have money to burn you would get it all

I put Tomb Raider on my 1440P screen at very high / GTX 1070, to compare. And it def looks better than that PS4 'Pro' 4K Up-scaling thing.

That and the missing graphics is a deal breaker for me. I will pass on PS4 Pro.

I almost feel like Sony is misleading the less informed consumer here.

This is 2013 hardware with a better GPU reinforcing the same price at launch back in 2013. No extra features, not even a UHD BluRay drive.

Very stingy of them tbh. Honestly better to wait for Scorpio and see if it's a more rounded upgrade in every area or just move to PC if you all care about is some extra GPU power. That is all you get with PS4 'Pro' a slightly better GPU.

MOOGLEYS · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:27

I think the PS4 pro will look better in person especially with the HDR. Im happy with PS4 so any improvement is good for me. I think what it offers for £350 is great value.

mid_gen · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:30

Boomstick777 said:
Very stingy of them tbh. Honestly better to wait for Scorpio and see if it's a more rounded upgrade in every area or just move to PC if you all care about is some extra GPU power. That is all you get with PS4 'Pro' a slightly better GPU.

It's a pretty significant upgrade, 1.8 to 4.2 tflop.

If new PC GPUs came out that more than doubled existing gear specs, people would be throwing thousands of pounds at single GPUs!

The Pro is pretty good value as a gaming machine whatever way you look at it.

Arcane · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:35

I recently bought a PS4 as i've no PC at the moment. I got one of those xim4 things so I could use a kb and mouse with it. It's no high end pc but i'm really happy with it overall (once i'd worked out my copyrighted cushion system for using the keyboard on the couch). I think i'll get the Pro as I do have a 4k TV and at £350 (more like 220ish after a trade in) it'll add enough to warrant it.

OT slightly but has anyone put an SSD into their PS4, my one bugbear is the loading times on Doom, drives me crazy.

FloppyPoppy · 15 Sep 2016 at 14:47

Arcane said:
I recently bought a PS4 as i've no PC at the moment. I got one of those xim4 things so I could use a kb and mouse with it. It's no high end pc but i'm really happy with it overall (once i'd worked out my copyrighted cushion system for using the keyboard on the couch). I think i'll get the Pro as I do have a 4k TV and at £350 (more like 220ish after a trade in) it'll add enough to warrant it.

OT slightly but has anyone put an SSD into their PS4, my one bugbear is the loading times on Doom, drives me crazy.

I put a 1TB evo in once. Made no noticeable difference to me ( i think because the system isn't designed to use a SSD ) my load times felt the same though installing stuff was faster. But not fast enough to warrant the drive that costs the same amount as the console at the time.

Seanspeed · 15 Sep 2016 at 15:13

robfosters said:
The ones who make me laugh are the ones who say things like "look at the shadows on her hair, or "look at the Jaggies on that cliff face compared to this one"

The fact is, games move at a pace that you will only see these details for the merest of milliseconds. Most of the time, you won't even notice them.

When you consider the costs, the ease of use, the form factor and the length of service before upgrades, I think the £350 PS4 Pro compares very favourably against a gaming PC.

Dont project your own experience onto everybody else.

I am actually quite sensitive to jaggies/aliasing(this can actually be *more* pronounced in motion), lack of or poor ambient occlusion, lower/inconstistent framerates and whatnot. If you're not, that's cool, having lower standards definitely has its advantages, but dont act like those of us who do care about things are being unreasonable or are just pretending or whatever.

I agree a PS4 Pro is quite good value for what you get, by the way. Not trying to argue otherwise. I am strongly considering swapping my base PS4 out for one. But my decent(nothing super special) gaming PC will be where I go to play games most of the time because I *do* notice these things you say people dont actually notice(along with all the other great things about PC gaming).

In fact, if you were correct and people couldn't notice jaggies and whatnot like you're saying, there wouldn't be a huge argument for needing the PS4 Pro in the first place.

Heisenberg · 15 Sep 2016 at 15:19

robfosters said:
I would think about it if the 1070 was all I needed, but my system would bottleneck a 1070. I would need upgraded CPU, ram and mobo, and I would need a 4K monitor, so the price starts getting a bit out of hand. I would be looking at well over a grand, and the visual difference wouldn't be worth it IMO.

The 2500k wouldn't bottleneck a 1070. Especially at higher resolutions.

mid_gen · 15 Sep 2016 at 15:33

Seanspeed said:
I am actually quite sensitive to jaggies/aliasing(this can actually be *more* pronounced in motion), lack of or poor ambient occlusion, lower/inconstistent framerates and whatnot.

Have you tried talking to your GP?

Seanspeed · 15 Sep 2016 at 15:38

mid_gen said:
Have you tried talking to your GP?

I did. Was diagnosed with classic CUP(computer upgrade psychosis).

robfosters · 15 Sep 2016 at 15:45

Heisenberg said:
The 2500k wouldn't bottleneck a 1070. Especially at higher resolutions.

Ok but I would still need a £400+ monitor as well as a £400 card. Also, to be honest, the 4K benches for the 1070 are still not that impressive.

Thesnipergecko · 15 Sep 2016 at 16:38

I thought this was a PS4 Pro thread?

robfosters · 15 Sep 2016 at 16:44

Thesnipergecko said:
I thought this was a PS4 Pro thread?

It is. I'm just highlighting how much more value the pro offers me over PC gaming.

FrankJH · 15 Sep 2016 at 16:56

robfosters said:
To be fair, I seem to spend quite a lot of my PS4 time now downloading system and software updates. God knows how big the 4K patches will be!

on a slow dialup maybe - but usually PS4 patches are a one off for several months and then thats it - Windows updates seem to having a run on effect on something else (like a generic windows / graphics patch usually means fixes for multiple games - PS4 patches rarely appear to mean you then have to d/l a game patch)

TheVoice · 15 Sep 2016 at 17:02

FrankJH said:
Depends how much you value yuor time at fixing windows issues, installing new drivers to cure issues. gfx profiles etc etc etc

PC's and consoles are aimed (generally) at completely different users. Consoles are for people to pick up (and drop) when /where they fancy without worrying too much about whether it will work in a month or two if you havent touched it. Try that with Windows and you will have a mountain of updates forced on you for an hr or so before you can even start gaming (and potentially have more issues because of those updates).

Ive come form pc gaming back in the day and for the last 5% of performance (for the price) its definitely worth it - but for more casual gamers the consoles - of your personal favourite variety - are just as much worth while

Bit of an exaggeration really; console games are frequently just as broken these days and there's always updates to download for any new title.