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Ripjaw

Ripjaw

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Hi guys i helped put somthing together with a friend and its what he really wants so im after no suggestions as to changes on things. Im here to ask if the cpu cooler with fit ok in the case and on the mobo and if it will cool said cpu well. He plans to overclock the cpu as soon as he gets it to 4.6 ghz.

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8350 Black Edition 4.00GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £161.99
1 x Asus Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 AMD 990FX (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £149.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 330R Silent Mid Tower Case - Black £75.95
1 x Alpenföhn K2 Mount Doom CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £59.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CML8GX3M2A1600C9) £59.99
Total : £522.00 (includes shipping : £11.75).



Opted for that ram to ensure good clearance, it should be ok?

Cheers chaps <3
 
Reading is a great quality: (both ruthlessly copied from OCUK website)

330R

• Extensive noise damping material on front door, side panels, and top removable panel to quiet noisy internal components.
• Front door is reversible, with angled air intakes to reflect internal noise away from the user.
• Direct airflow to components - the front 140mm fan is unrestricted by hard drive cages and has a low-restriction dust filter in front for excellent cooling and low noise levels.
• Removable top panel, with top fan mounts pre-drilled for 240mm or 280mm radiator compatibility.
• Up to five separate fan mount locations
Front: 140mm included (upgradeable to dual 120mm or 140mm)
Top: Dual 120mm or 140mm
Rear: 120mm included
• USB 3.0 on front panel with internal motherboard connector
• Four 3.5¡¨ / 2.5¡¨ hard drive bays with full SSD compatibility.
• Up to 450mm of space for long graphics cards
• Up to 160mm of space for CPU coolers.
• Cable routing cutouts to keep your cables out of the airflow path.
• Tool free installation of 5.25¡¨ and 3.5¡¨ drives
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K2

AMD Socket AM2;AM2+;AM3;AM3+;FM1;
Max. Air Volume 104.7
Max. Rotation 1100
Max. Noise Level 19.4
Min. Rotation 300
Min. Noise Level 10.0
Fan Colour black/blue
Fan 140mm 1
Diameter Of Heatpipes 6
Amount Of Heatpipes 6
Weight In G 880
Depth 80
Height 164
Width 143
Approved For active running
Intel Socket 775;1155;1156;1366;2011;
Fan Connector PWM
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Ripjaw said:
lol ok smarty pants :P Alas it wont fit :( Best get finding another :\ Any suggestions? Not water cooled tho
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Why not watercooled?

You can pick up a H100 Refurb for £40..

Okay this is a good air cooler:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £197.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87-D3HP Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 330R Silent Mid Tower Case - Black £75.95
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual CHannel Kit (PV38G213C1K) £65.99
1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £29.99
Total : £494.00 (includes shipping : £11.75).



Opps must have ACCIDENTALLY kept the rest of the items with it, silly me..
 
lol i wondered how quick somone would swap the 8350 out for the i5. That cooler looks pretty flimsy and naff tbh :\

8350 will be the way to go im sure of it, next gen consoles are all 8core amds and in some games the 8350 out performs the i5, it stands to reason with the next gen consoles being as they are then the games will be optimised for 8cores. Hence the 8350
 
I was going to suggest the updated version of mine, but it's 166mm. Definitely set on that case?

Do you mean he intends to get 4.6GHz or wants to go above that? As at 4.6GHz that kind of cooler won't be necessary. Over that and yeah, massive air coolers or water really.
 
Yea has to be that case, wants silent and clean looking. He wants to push it from 4.0 to 4.6 so i thought a nice chunky cooler would have been needed?

Didnt want to go water coz you'd have to mount it to the roof, and take off the roof cover so then the nice quite case becomes useless. What about this one http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-006-AN and slap it were the exsust fan normally sits?
 
Ripjaw said:
lol i wondered how quick somone would swap the 8350 out for the i5. That cooler looks pretty flimsy and naff tbh :\

8350 will be the way to go im sure of it, next gen consoles are all 8core amds and in some games the 8350 out performs the i5, it stands to reason with the next gen consoles being as they are then the games will be optimised for 8cores. Hence the 8350
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A few cool options:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £197.99
1 x Gigabyte Z87-D3HP Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £109.99
1 x Corsair Carbide 330R Silent Mid Tower Case - Black £75.95
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-17000C11 2133MHz Dual CHannel Kit (PV38G213C1K) £65.99
1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £29.99
Total : £494.00 (includes shipping : £11.75).



You will need 1-2 fans though, though they can be any of your choice (120mm mounting holes)

Performs close to the K2, a degree or two each way.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Phanteks PH-TC12DX CPU Cooler - Black (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £44.98
Total : £50.95 (includes shipping : £4.98).



Great cooler, decent temps but fans are quite loud on full pelt.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1150 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £62.98
Total : £72.88 (includes shipping : £8.25).



I have this cooler,

Same if not better than the K2, Is silent at 7V and barley audible at full tilt. :)

Pricey though..and doesn't match the colour scheme.
 
Ripjaw said:
Yea has to be that case, wants silent and clean looking. He wants to push it from 4.0 to 4.6 so i thought a nice chunky cooler would have been needed?
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4.6GHz isn't a massive overclock for a 8350. I helped someone spec out an 8320 recently, he decided on a £25 Coolermaster cooler and runs stable at 4.5GHz without any heat problems, can even get to 4.7GHz in gaming.

(I'm sure though if he finds he can do 4.6GHz with lowish temps he's going to want to get higher...)
 
most likely. thanks for the clear up mate. @DOOM i've just been looking around the web for benchmarks, and the 8350 beats the 4670k most of the time xD I would like to hear more on this from others tho. Has amd come onto a winner with this?
 
Most people on here seem to reject AMD for gaming. But what it comes down to: well optimised multi-threaded games - excellent performance. Some older games and bad console ports - poorer.

Since newer games like Crysis 3, BF3/4 etc. fall into the first category, you see results like this:

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As you said, upcoming games will make use of the cores, so there's not much to worry about looking forward.
 
teppic said:
Most people on here seem to reject AMD for gaming. But what it comes down to: well optimised multi-threaded games - excellent performance. Some older games and bad console ports - poorer.

Since newer games like Crysis 3, BF3/4 etc. fall into the first category, you see results like this:

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As you said, upcoming games will make use of the cores, so there's not much to worry about looking forward.
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Ripjaw said:
Amd it is :D
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Nice Cherry picking,

look what i found:

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Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performance-benchmark-gaming,3451-8.html

And for BF3:

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Source: http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=1155742

Im not sure why the Crysis 3 one only tested a 3550 and not a 3570k, as the 3570k would have been better.

and the BF3 one, it gets pummeled, even my elderly 2500k whips it (at stock).

And take into account the 4670k is another 5-10% improvement on those figures.

Im not trying to push you, im just providing the other half of the story.
 
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teppic said:
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processor-reviewed/8

Crysis 2 - FX8350 86fps, 3770K 87fps.
BF3 - FX8350 84fps, 3770K 86fps.
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Did you even look at the review?

the 3470 (the less powerful version of the 3570k) is the same as the 8350 too.. Thats a more comparable comparison.

That just shows how little HT (hyperthreading) is used in these games as the non-HT 3450 is the same as the 8350 and 1FPS off the HT 3770k

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and BF3 from the same site:

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And Arkham City (i know you didn't use this but for comparison)

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All from the same website you used.

And i wont even show the Skyrim one but that well worth a look beaten by a pentium. Haha!
 
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In the posts above I wasn't saying the FX8350 was better than all Intel processors. I said in modern game engines it gives excellent performance, which is true. In the current engines and with the games to come, either Intel and AMD processors will give excellent performance (as long as they have more than 2 cores), but games will happily use 8 cores for extra performance.

You can find benchmarks that put the FX8350 above the 3770K in a particular game, equal, or behind in another. Graphics card, motherboard, patch level of the game, etc. all play a part. A difference of <5 fps, especially over 60fps, isn't relevant to real life.
 
teppic said:
but games will happily use 8 cores for extra performance.
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How did you gather that?

When a 4 core (4 thread) CPU (3470 in some cases) performs exactly the same if not better?

You will get good performance yes.. though the 3570k out performs the 8350 by 14% in AC (according to my post above) That's a fairly big amount..

teppic said:
You can find benchmarks that put the FX8350 above the 3770K in a particular game, equal, or behind in another.
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I wasn't comparing it to the 3770k and you know i wasn't..

I was comparing it to the i5 3570k/3570/3470... Which is not Hyperthreaded.

Thinking about it, Shogun 2 is a very CPU intensive game, see what Bit-tech has to say about that: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/5

Ill calm down now..

Its the Op's choice at the end of the day, i just wanted to show that just because you showed him one benchmark with the 8350 on top that wasn't the whole story.

Let me just end with this, i've seen a lot of threads with people wanting to swap there 6300/8150/8320/8350 for an Intel i5/i7.. I've not seen it the other way around.
 
I've only been talking about the latest engines, not older ones. As the OP said, the new consoles will all have games optimised for 8 cores. Things are looking different now to how things are with games 2+ years old.

My comparisons were with higher end Intel ones, that's all, not to start an argument. He had already chosen an 8350 (I would have gone for an 8320) and wanted to know about the performance with new games.
 
teppic said:
I've only been talking about the latest engines, not older ones. As the OP said, the new consoles will all have games optimised for 8 cores.
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The new consoles won't be 8-core though. There 4 module. with one core and two threads per module like the 8150/8320/8350. Making it a 4 core 8 thread CPU, like the i7's. But as the two threads make the single core act as two cores they call it an 8 core. Where as Intel call it hyperthreading..

More threads help with multi tasking and as the new consoles will be recording as you play, they'll be used there rather than in pure game performance..
 
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