Please help me decide - Ryzen 7000 or Raptor Lake for productivity

[KompuKare]

Just leave it at stock then they are designed to boost upto 95*C - I feel AMD should have maybe tried to communicate this better as loads of people are getting hung up on this 95*C thing when its working different to what you would normally expect - it's a hotspot by design no matter your reasonable level of cooling, not that its using so much power that your 420mm AIO is getting overwhelmed and that's the best it can manage.

Radeon 290x suffered greatly from this: 780 Ti used the about the same power and was the last time AMD had a much smaller GPU able to compete with Nvidia's largest. Now, 290X reference did come with poor coolers but at the end of day watts is what matters not max temp unless it is above tjunction.

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. If I can hold out I'll wait for the reviews of the Raptor Lake CPU's. Z790 mobo prices seem even more crazy than the AM5 ones though.

Cannot see any reason not to wait a few more weeks as some of the early adaptors tax on the AMD side might have disappeared by then. Plus B550 makes more sense for most users anyhow. It is a gamble but while we could have a run on DDR5 I think that is a small risk vs the early adaptors tax.

 

[MartinPrince]

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. If I can hold out I'll wait for the reviews of the Raptor Lake CPU's. Z790 mobo prices seem even more crazy than the AM5 ones though.

... which is why you can always go Z690 and hardly loose anything by way of performance etc.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. If I can hold out I'll wait for the reviews of the Raptor Lake CPU's. Z790 mobo prices seem even more crazy than the AM5 ones though.

Buy z690 unless z790 has something you need.

 

[jigger]

I know AMD says the new CPUs are totally fine and happy at 95 degrees... but I'm not sure I want that much heat dumped out the back of my PC. And it implies the internal case temps will not be great, if only because of thermal conduction around the socket. Nothing in there should be close to actual boiling point! D:

That said, not sure if CPU core temps directly translate to heat venting, or whether it's more the overall power draw.

You need to look at power use when considering heat. Die temp has no relation to heat output. A 100watts is 100watts for example.

 

[Author_25]

Check DeBauers video on De-lidding a 7950X and on direct die cooling it, dropped 20C.

It appears to make the Ryzen 7000 compatable with the AM4 mountings the IHS on the 7000s had to be made thicker, about 2mm, to meet the same height as AM4 CPUs, and because its thicker its not as effective as the thinner IHS on the AM4 CPUs.

The Ryzen 7000 series is 95c by design but not the chips themselves but the need for a thicker IHS.

 

[no_1_dave]

Thanks for all the replies, everyone. If I can hold out I'll wait for the reviews of the Raptor Lake CPU's. Z790 mobo prices seem even more crazy than the AM5 ones though.

You gain very little paying for Z790 over Z690. For 99% of people it isn't worth it.

The only thing to remember in that regard is this is likely the end of this socket for Intel so any future upgrade would need to be a full one. AM5 on the other hand is new and should be with us now for multiple generations. At least, that's how I understand it. I'll also be looking to upgrade to one of these new chips when they're both available so am just waiting for the reviews etc to come in

 

[DiscoDave]

You gain very little paying for Z790 over Z690. For 99% of people it isn't worth it.

The only thing to remember in that regard is this is likely the end of this socket for Intel so any future upgrade would need to be a full one. AM5 on the other hand is new and should be with us now for multiple generations. At least, that's how I understand it. I'll also be looking to upgrade to one of these new chips when they're both available so am just waiting for the reviews etc to come in

That's a very good point, thank you.