Please Help! New PC build Advice.

Deponeo · 4 Jul 2023 at 17:57

Hi all,

Hoping some of your tech savvy guys can help me to build the best PC with my budget of around £2,750(ish)

- Open to Intel or AMD
- Primarily for gaming with browsing/basic other PC use.
- Looking for best performance (fps and graphically) for 4k gaming.
- To be future proof.

Thank you all in advance

Tetras · 4 Jul 2023 at 19:08

Intel/DDR5 option:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99
1 x Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BU-GI) = £199.99
1 x Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBK2-64) (SKU: MY-29W-KS) = £209.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13E-ZT) = £1,499.99
1 x Seagate FireCuda 520 2TB SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (ZP2000GV3A012) (SKU: HD-3EX-SE) = £116.98
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-08V-PT) = £140.00
1 x Phanteks M25 140mm PWM High-Airflow Chassis Fan - Black (SKU: FG-033-PT) = £9.94
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14Q-BQ) = £149.99

Total: £2,698.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)

Cooler, I would suggest this (under £50).

jigger · 4 Jul 2023 at 22:36

AM5 with an X3D chip.

Deponeo · 4 Jul 2023 at 22:47

Tetras said:
Intel/DDR5 option:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99

1 x Gigabyte B760 GAMING X AX (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BU-GI) = £199.99

1 x Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBK2-64) (SKU: MY-29W-KS) = £209.99

1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13E-ZT) = £1,499.99

1 x Seagate FireCuda 520 2TB SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (ZP2000GV3A012) (SKU: HD-3EX-SE) = £116.98

1 x Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-08V-PT) = £140.00

1 x Phanteks M25 140mm PWM High-Airflow Chassis Fan - Black (SKU: FG-033-PT) = £9.94

1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14Q-BQ) = £149.99

Total: £2,698.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)

Cooler, I would suggest this (under £50).

Would this need watercooling?

Tetras · 4 Jul 2023 at 22:58

Deponeo said:
Would this need watercooling?

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I promise the website isn't dodgy. Alternatively, YouTube:

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Deponeo · 5 Jul 2023 at 00:59

Tetras said:
Click my link I promise the website isn't dodgy. Alternatively, YouTube:

The Champ: $41 Thermalright Peerless Assassin CPU Cooler Review & Benchmarks

Sponsor: Thermaltake Ceres 500 TG on Amazon - https://geni.us/8An8nnThe Peerless Assassin 120 CPU tower cooler ranges from $35 to $55, depending on which mod...

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Thanks Tetras, always see you helping people like myself out around here. Would you change or add anything if you could even it cost a little more?

Tetras · 5 Jul 2023 at 13:17

Deponeo said:
Thanks Tetras, always see you helping people like myself out around here. Would you change or add anything if you could even it cost a little more?

No, it is fine. Though, a non-F CPU might be handy as a backup or testing GPU, since the F doesn't have one.

Deponeo · 5 Jul 2023 at 19:24

Tetras said:
No, it is fine. Though, a non-F CPU might be handy as a backup or testing GPU, since the F doesn't have one.

Would the Artic Liquid Freezer II be a better option as a cooler within the system? Only asking as I will ve ordering to abroad so getting all the parts in one is easier.

Also I noticed the Gigabyte B70 is out of stock, is there any other good alternatives.

Thanks.

Tetras · 5 Jul 2023 at 19:35

Deponeo said:
Would the Artic Liquid Freezer II be a better option as a cooler within the system?

You mean the AIO? It would work (if it fits in the case), but the cooler I suggested is cheaper.

Deponeo said:
Also I noticed the Gigabyte B70 is out of stock, is there any other good alternatives.

B760 DS3H DDR5: £150
B760 Tomahawk DDR5: £170
B760 Aorus Elite DDR5: £220

I expected someone else to give you an AM5 option, but since they have not:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core 5.30GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DV-AM) = £308.99
1 x Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BF-GI) = £189.95
1 x Corsair Vengeance EXPO 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK64GX5M2B5600Z40) (SKU: MY-4DL-CS) = £199.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13E-ZT) = £1,499.99
1 x Seagate FireCuda 520 2TB SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (ZP2000GV3A012) (SKU: HD-3EX-SE) = £116.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-08V-PT) = £139.99
1 x Phanteks M25 140mm PWM High-Airflow Chassis Fan - Black (SKU: FG-033-PT) = £9.95
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14Q-BQ) = £149.98

Total: £2,627.82 (includes delivery: £11.98)

The 7700 non-X includes a cooler (wraith prism), or you can get the air cooler I suggested earlier (Thermalright Peerless Assassin).

Deponeo · 21 Jul 2023 at 23:30

Thanks Tetras, in terms of performance which would be better then out of the Intel and AMD you provided?

Tetras · 21 Jul 2023 at 23:36

Deponeo said:
Thanks Tetras, in terms of performance which would be better then out of the Intel and AMD you provided?

Gaming at 4K? I doubt you'd notice any difference between either spec.

AM5 is likely to have better upgrade potential in the future, but the 13700F would perform stronger in heavily multi-threaded apps.

Deponeo · 23 Jul 2023 at 11:39

Tetras said:
Gaming at 4K? I doubt you'd notice any difference between either spec.

AM5 is likely to have better upgrade potential in the future, but the 13700F would perform stronger in heavily multi-threaded apps.

Thanks again.

Out of curiosity if I was able to financially upgrade to the i9 13900k would I need to change any of the intel cart or would I need to re-jiggle some pieces to ensure there's no bottlenecking/overheating going on?

Noughtboy · 23 Jul 2023 at 12:25

Deponeo said:
Thanks again.

Out of curiosity if I was able to financially upgrade to the i9 13900k would I need to change any of the intel cart or would I need to re-jiggle some pieces to ensure there's no bottlenecking/overheating going on?

13900K will always benefit from the best cooling you can get. Something to bear in mind if that the AMD will generally run at lower Watts and temp so you could easily get away with the air cooler.

The one highlighted is an excellent choice

Tetras · 23 Jul 2023 at 15:03

Deponeo said:
Thanks again.

Out of curiosity if I was able to financially upgrade to the i9 13900k would I need to change any of the intel cart or would I need to re-jiggle some pieces to ensure there's no bottlenecking/overheating going on?

The RAM is fine, but B boards aren't intended for K CPUs (they don't support overclocking) and as Noughtboy says, you'd need the best cooling you can get for a 13900K, though their gaming power draw isn't as excessive relative to their full multithreaded power draw (TPU's 13 game average was 143 watt, compared to 107 for the 13700K and 56 for the 7700).

An adjusted spec:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i9-13900K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6AZ-IN) = £548.99
1 x Asus Prime Z790-P WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6JR-AS) = £219.99
1 x Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBK2-64) (SKU: MY-29W-KS) = £209.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity 24GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13E-ZT) = £1,499.99
1 x Seagate FireCuda 520 2TB SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (ZP2000GV3A012) (SKU: HD-3EX-SE) = £116.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-08V-PT) = £139.99
1 x Phanteks M25 140mm PWM High-Airflow Chassis Fan - Black (SKU: FG-033-PT) = £9.95
1 x be quiet! Pure Loop 360 Performance CPU Water Cooler - 360mm (SKU: HS-01P-BQ) = £119.98
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-14Q-BQ) = £149.99

Total: £3,027.85 (includes delivery: £11.98)

I wouldn't recommend this change just for a gaming PC.

Noughtboy · 23 Jul 2023 at 17:32

Tetras said:
The RAM is fine, but B boards aren't intended for K CPUs (they don't support overclocking) and as Noughtboy says, you'd need the best cooling you can get for a 13900K, though their gaming power draw isn't as excessive relative to their full multithreaded power draw (TPU's 13 game average was 143 watt, compared to 107 for the 13700K and 56 for the 7700).

So only about 2.55x the power draw of the 7700. Not excessive then

Although, granted it does have more cores etc. But still, the 13700k is almost double

Tetras · 23 Jul 2023 at 17:47

Noughtboy said:
So only about 2.55x the power draw of the 7700. Not excessive then

What I meant by isn't excessive is the gaming draw is manageable for a decent air cooler or entry-level AIO, but under full multithreaded load it can easily be double that. I think the 13700F will be better on power use than the K CPUs, but I don't have any reviews to prove that (and it would depend if the power limits were enabled, graphics card, resolution, etc).

Noughtboy · 24 Jul 2023 at 00:08

Tetras said:
What I meant by isn't excessive is the gaming draw is manageable for a decent air cooler or entry-level AIO, but under full multithreaded load it can easily be double that. I think the 13700F will be better on power use than the K CPUs, but I don't have any reviews to prove that (and it would depend if the power limits were enabled, graphics card, resolution, etc).

I reckon if time is the absolute priority, maybe get one of the Intel Space heaters for productivity. If your sanity, hydration and TCO )Total Cost of Ownership) is more important than saving 15 minutes a month or £50 on your power bill then AMD.

"You pays the piper, you call the tunes"

Deponeo · 27 Jul 2023 at 17:35

Thanks to both regarding the input. So Tetra just for clarification your saying the performance difference wouldn't be worth the cost? I'd be using around 80 percent for gaming btw.

I just thought the i9 13900k would be a little more future proof as well.

Tetras · 27 Jul 2023 at 18:04

Deponeo said:
So Tetra just for clarification your saying the performance difference wouldn't be worth the cost? I'd be using around 80 percent for gaming btw.

The main difference between the 13700K and 13900K is 8 more E-Cores (16 in total), since they both have the same number of P-Cores. 8 P-Cores is plenty enough for gaming. You mainly see a benefit from the E-Cores in long-run multi-threaded tasks like Blender. I think it's very unlikely that in the life of the system those extra E-Cores will future proof a gaming PC and the few % difference between them in benchmarks will mean next to nothing in 5 years time. For your secondary use of browsing/basic desktop tasks, a 13700K is already overkill.

Deponeo · 27 Jul 2023 at 19:07

Man your a bundle of knowledge.

I'm almost thinking based off that then maybe I'm better dropping to an 4080 card since it wouldn't be as future proof as originally thought and save the money aside for the future.