Please help with a new build after 11 years.

FLumpster

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Hi all. It's been 11 years since you all last helped me build a machine and I was hoping you could all help me out again as I am so out of touch and my old brain is reading as much as it can but it's becoming overwhelming lol.

I don't intend to reuse any of the current system and would just like to give it to a family member as it is still going great for what they would need.
The current system is a 2500k overclocked to 4.6. Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen 3 with 16GB of 1333 ram, AMD 390 and a Samsung 850 pro SSD.

What I want is something that is not the best now, but still good and will have the ability to upgrade over time so it will last me far longer. I also do not require any RGB, I do not like seeing lights in my peripheral view so a closed case or the ability to turn them off.

So far I have looked at these items :

CPU : 7800X3D
MOBO : Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
RAM : Corsair Vengeance EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black
or I have seen Corsair Vengeance Black 32GB 6000MHz DDR5 Memory Kit with 30-36-36-76 CAS Latency 1.4v Voltage for the same money. Don't know if the 30 over 36 but higher voltage makes any difference.
COOLER : Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE

I would need a case with good airflow, A PSU and a 2TB NVME. My daughter would give me her old 2070 GPU for now but I would like to update that in the future when I have more money to something like a 4080 or 4090.

I would also like to add in another 2-4TB NVME in the future but if I have any left over money at the moment I would get that now so suggestions are welcome. I also don't need any peripherals or windows, My monitor is still 1080P but in the long run I will get a 4K monitor to replace it.

Everything I have picked is just me looking at what sort of looks good but not crazy expensive so I'm open to people changing them except the CPU as that looks the best for gaming at the moment without spending 7950X3D money and I can swap out the CPU at the end of the AM5 cycle. Whatever motherboard and ram is picked will stay in the system for the whole duration of the machine so that needs to be able to take the last AM5 CPU released when it finally comes.

Thanks so much again for helping people out here.
 
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,187.93 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

Reason for changes/choices:
- CPU: in this review at 4K with a 4090, the 7700 is 3% slower than the 7800X3D and since it comes with a cooler (Wraith Prism) you can drop the Thermalright. I don't think the 7800X3D is a good CPU for the intention of an upgradable system, it's more the kind of CPU you keep for 5 years. Admittedly the 7700 is not cheap either, but the cooler shaves a few quid.
- Memory: if you're keeping the memory for the duration of the system then I'd get 64GB, though you'll probably want 6000. With an X3D I don't think I'd care if the memory is C30, C36 or C40 (or even 5600 vs 6000), you can see in this video that the difference is minimal. If you're getting a non-X3D CPU, then I'd be willing to pay more, but since you plan to play at 4K, not much more.
- Case: this is a large case with the option of silence or airflow (you can remove panels), this one has no window or RGB, but you can swap to the window version. I'd include a Phanteks 140mm chassis fan for when you upgrade to a 4090.
- PSU: if you're getting a 4080 or 4090 then I'd want an ATX 3.0 PSU with a native 12/16 pin (PCIE5).
 
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core 5.30GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail
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Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-6JX-AS
£210 (incl. VAT)
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MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply
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Tetras said:
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,187.93 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

Reason for changes/choices:
- CPU: in this review at 4K with a 4090, the 7700 is 3% slower than the 7800X3D and since it comes with a cooler (Wraith Prism) you can drop the Thermalright. I don't think the 7800X3D is a good CPU for the intention of an upgradable system, it's more the kind of CPU you keep for 5 years. Admittedly the 7700 is not cheap either, but the cooler shaves a few quid.
- Memory: if you're keeping the memory for the duration of the system then I'd get 64GB, though you'll probably want 6000. With an X3D I don't think I'd care if the memory is C30, C36 or C40 (or even 5600 vs 6000), you can see in this video that the difference is minimal. If you're getting a non-X3D CPU, then I'd be willing to pay more, but since you plan to play at 4K, not much more.
- Case: this is a large case with the option of silence or airflow (you can remove panels), this one has no window or RGB, but you can swap to the window version. I'd include a Phanteks 140mm chassis fan for when you upgrade to a 4090.
- PSU: if you're getting a 4080 or 4090 then I'd want an ATX 3.0 PSU with a native 12/16 pin (PCIE5).
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Thanks very much for the reply.

The CPU I will not be changing until the very end of life of AM5 which I am hoping will be about 5 years if AM4 is anything to go by as that lasted 7 years. I will then pick up whatever the best last CPU was when they start to drop in price just to future proof it a bit. Would that matter between the 7700 and the 7800X3D? Also I will be gaming on a 2070 for a year or two at 1080p until I build up the money for a new monitor and graphics card so we will be on 5 or 6 series nvidia by then and maybe I will get one of those instead or a passed down 4 series from my daughter. The machine also gets used a lot for davinci resolve and photoshop if that matters.

The ram makes a lot of sense for me to get 64GB now and you mention I might want 6000 so do you have any suggestions for that? A few hundred quid here or there on the overall price doesn't matter as long as I got something I can run into the ground for the next 10 years lol

The case and the PSU look great thanks, you did mention at the end of the post you would want an ATX 3.0 with 12/16 (pcie5), this doesn't really mean anything to me. Is the one you listed that or something different?

For the NVMe I originally looked at the PCI5 ones but they were too expensive for 2TB. I notice that the Firecude 530 is a little bit more at £159 but a fair bit faster on read/write. Is that a better option for me? Again I don't mind a little bit more money for the basics that are not going to be swapped out. I also can get a Corsair Force MP600 PRO XT 2TB with 7100/6800 for £137.

Thanks once again for your quick reply. Really appreciate it.
 
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core 5.30GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail
CP-3DV-AM
£315 (incl. VAT)
£279 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-6JX-AS
£210 (incl. VAT)
FREE DELIVERY
Find out more
MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply
CA-00Y-MS
£140 (incl. VAT)
£120 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
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FLumpster said:
The CPU I will not be changing until the very end of life of AM5 which I am hoping will be about 5 years if AM4 is anything to go by as that lasted 7 years. I will then pick up whatever the best last CPU was when they start to drop in price just to future proof it a bit. Would that matter between the 7700 and the 7800X3D?
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If you're keeping it for 5 years, then I'd get the X3D (since the 720p/1080p results tend to ascend up the stack as the CPU ages and GPUs get faster), though that might have implications on your memory choice, as I'd personally prefer a lower memory voltage for an X3D CPU, given the XMP/EXPO controversy.

FLumpster said:
The ram makes a lot of sense for me to get 64GB now and you mention I might want 6000 so do you have any suggestions for that?
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I'm afraid not, I can't find any 64GB kits above 5600 in the OCUK store. From what I can see elsewhere, I wouldn't pay much over £230.

FLumpster said:
The case and the PSU look great thanks, you did mention at the end of the post you would want an ATX 3.0 with 12/16 (pcie5), this doesn't really mean anything to me. Is the one you listed that or something different?
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You don't need PCIE5, but if you buy a PSU without it, then you either need an adapter (many/most graphics cards come with one), or buy a 'native' cable from the PSU manufacturer which is about £15-£20. Any nvidia card above a 4070 will use a 12/16 pin.

ATX 3.0 stipulates that the PSU can handle the spikes of modern cards, so I'm inclined to take their word for it, but I still haven't seen any testing to compare old/new PSUs in this regard. The MSI A850G PCIE5 is ATX 3.0 / PCiE5.

If you're going for an AMD card (e.g. 7900 XTX), then they still use 8 pins, so you don't need PCIE5. You can also have issues with some ATX 3.0 / PCIE5 PSUs when you need more than two 8 pins and have a motherboard with 2 EPS12v, because they assume you'll have a graphics card that uses a 12/16 pin.

FLumpster said:
I notice that the Firecude 530 is a little bit more at £159 but a fair bit faster on read/write. Is that a better option for me? Again I don't mind a little bit more money for the basics that are not going to be swapped out. I also can get a Corsair Force MP600 PRO XT 2TB with 7100/6800 for £137.
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Sure, if you're going to keep it long-term then that's fair enough to buy a higher-end drive. WD SN850X is another alternative. From newmaxx's spreadsheet (on reddit) the Corsair drive appears to have similar hardware to the Firecuda 530 (same controller and flash).
 
Tetras said:
If you're keeping it for 5 years, then I'd get the X3D (since the 720p/1080p results tend to ascend up the stack as the CPU ages and GPUs get faster), though that might have implications on your memory choice, as I'd personally prefer a lower memory voltage for an X3D CPU, given the XMP/EXPO controversy.



I'm afraid not, I can't find any 64GB kits above 5600 in the OCUK store. From what I can see elsewhere, I wouldn't pay much over £230.



You don't need PCIE5, but if you buy a PSU without it, then you either need an adapter (many/most graphics cards come with one), or buy a 'native' cable from the PSU manufacturer which is about £15-£20. Any nvidia card above a 4070 will use a 12/16 pin.

ATX 3.0 stipulates that the PSU can handle the spikes of modern cards, so I'm inclined to take their word for it, but I still haven't seen any testing to compare old/new PSUs in this regard. The MSI A850G PCIE5 is ATX 3.0 / PCiE5.

If you're going for an AMD card (e.g. 7900 XTX), then they still use 8 pins, so you don't need PCIE5. You can also have issues with some ATX 3.0 / PCIE5 PSUs when you need more than two 8 pins and have a motherboard with 2 EPS12v, because they assume you'll have a graphics card that uses a 12/16 pin.



Sure, if you're going to keep it long-term then that's fair enough to buy a higher-end drive. WD SN850X is another alternative. From newmaxx's spreadsheet (on reddit) the Corsair drive appears to have similar hardware to the Firecuda 530 (same controller and flash).
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Thanks once again.

I have found :

64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-48000 (6000), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 40, XMP 3.0, 1.35V for £184 or
64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-51200 (6400), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 32, XMP 3.0, 1.4V for £231 or
64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-52800 (6600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 32, XMP 3.0, 1.4V for £243

Is it really worth the extra £50 for the lower cas and slightly faster? I don't mind the money but if its pointless or will cause problems I will go with what you say.

Basically I just want it to be stable and not interested in overclocking anything this time.
 
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FLumpster said:
64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-48000 (6000), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 40, XMP 3.0, 1.35V for £184 or
64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-51200 (6400), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 32, XMP 3.0, 1.4V for £231 or
64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance Black, PC5-52800 (6600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 32, XMP 3.0, 1.4V for £243
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Ideally I'd get an EXPO kit, rather than an XMP kit.

FLumpster said:
Thanks mate. So just go for the 6000 over the 6600? even the 10% theoretical speed not worth it?
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With an X3D, no.
 
Tetras said:
Ideally I'd get an EXPO kit, rather than an XMP kit.



With an X3D, no.
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Ahh, I didn't know there was a difference. It's late here now so I will check out more tomorrow and see if I can find an EXPO set instead and come back.
Thanks again

edit: I just found this :

64GB (2x32GB) Corsair DDR5 Vengeance, PC5-48000 (6000), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 40, 1.35V, AMD EXPO for £189 which is just £5 more than the XMP. This one seem ok ?
 
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gjbf1 said:
What have you gone for?
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CPU : AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
MOBO : Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
RAM : Corsair Vengeance Black 64GB 6000MHz DDR5 Memory Kit
COOLER : Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE
CASE : Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case
PSU : MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply
NVMe : WD Black SN850X 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 Gen4 x4 NVMe SSD

I am also considering buying the Powercolor Radeon RX 6800 XT Red Dragon 16GB PCI-Express Graphics Card.
That card should allow me to forget about getting another GPU in the short term and let me save for the ultra widescreen monitor I want instead.

Overall I am pretty happy with the build above thanks to everyone here and their brilliant help again.
You will see me again in 5 years when I need a new CPU for it and 10 years for a new build. Lol
 
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