Pointless getting 8800***!! What games?!

[The Asgard]

lol that was cheap - I'm not such an idiot as to get 3D Marks 05 and 06 scores messed up and your silly to even think I did...

my actual scores were 9564 out the box, 10,940 with the CPU up a bit and just over 15K with the GX2 core at 700MHz.

Oh also despite most GX2s being basically identical I think gainward must have played around a bit under the bonnet coz for one thing its not running on 1.3vcore like most.

Show me your 15k or better still your 16K 3D Mark 06 score for your GX2?

Edit: Just read your reply to fornowagain. LOL.

 

[kibble]

The statement has been quashed well and truly.

Errr...no, it hasn't. Fighter pilots, reaction time and scientific studies really don't have any bearing on what I said. Reaction time in particular is totally irrelevant to the issue here. I never said everyone had the same reaction time or the fps was static for everyone. Where the hell did that come from? That has nothing to do with this. OK, I will say it again in plain English. In gameplay, any framerate over 72fps (or thereabouts) is not going to be detectable to lowrider007. THAT IS IT! That's not to say everyone's eye works EXACTLY the same way, but give or take a frame, the fact remains that for the average gamer like lowrider007, whether he gets 150fps or 80fps, he won't notice the difference. And I don't mean to say that a higher framerate is not important or that it doesn't have a bearing on minimum fps rate, as I have already acknowledged that it does.

Please, don't start adding on additional arguments, putting words in my mouth or simply making things up that I supposedly said. What is it with you people!?! Do you need every word spelled out for you three times, or are just so hell bent on having a go at people and trying to elevate your own position in this community that you will seize any opportunity to jump down someone's throat just for the sake of it?!

 

[easyrider]

Please, don't start adding on additional arguments, putting words in my mouth or simply making things up. What is it with you people!?! Do you not understand English, or are just so hell bent on having a go at people and trying to elveate your own position in this community that you will seize any opportunity to jump down someone's throat just for the sake of it?!

I never put any words into anyones mouth.

You were dissing his post.You reap what you sew.

Sounds to me by posting:

I find this fascinating and you are clearly a strong candidate for medical research when you take into consideration the fact that anything over 72fps is undetectable to the human eye. Fact.

That you were having a go at people and trying to elavate your own position in this community.No body else.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

You saying DX10 is different in all the releases of Vista ?

Well well, I read DX10 was not finalised a while back that's a bit worrying for people with 8800's if the whole thing is in flux still !

Nope its not all different.

 

[kibble]

I never put any words into anyones mouth.

You were dissing his post.You reap what you sew.

I was being sarcastic and facetious you misdirected poor soul. You clearly misunderstood and have gone on the defensive along with several other people who in addition somehow seem to have read things I never wrote!

Reap what I sew? Hardly. I've had my statement taken out of context and twisted to mean things it never even said. While still being correct in what I was initially saying! If people take things the wrong way and react out of proportion, that's their own issue. In real life (I assume you live there) if you are having a conversation with someone and they say something you feel is derogatory or negative, you will question/challenge them on it. You don't jump down their throats and start accusing them. Atleast sensible and civilized people do so. I would hope that we were all in that category. But these forums do seem to operate on a realm outside of that.

Besides, to me, and to a lot of people, reading what I wrote out loud would not be considered 'dissing' as you so eloquently put it. But then history has taught us the written word can be far more inciting than the verbal. Lesson learned. In future all posts will be sweet, poetic and filled with sunshine and laughter.

 

[easyrider]

I was being sarcastic and facetious you misdirected poor soul. You clearly misunderstood and have gone on the defensive along with several other people who in addition somehow seem to have read things I never wrote!

Reap what I sew? Hardly. I've had my statement taken out of context and twisted to mean things it never even said. While still being correct in what I was initially saying! If people take things the wrong way and react out of proportion, that's their own issue. In real life (I assume you live there) if you are having a conversation with someone and they say something you feel is derogatory or negative, you will question/challenge them on it. You don't jump down their throats and start accusing them. Atleast sensible and civilized people do so. I would hope that we were all in that category. But these forums do seem to operate on a realm outside of that.

Besides, to me, and to a lot of people, reading what I wrote out loud would not be considered 'dissing' as you so eloquently put it. But then history has taught us the written word can be far more inciting than the verbal. Lesson learned. In future all posts will be sweet, poetic and filled with sunshine and laughter.

Oh please,


Ignore list beckons.
I was bored after your first post.

 

[WesleyBurns]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[kibble]

Oh please,
Ignore list beckons.
I was bored after your first post.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

Indeed. I'm surprised you both have time to be bored! After spending that much on an 8800 haven't you got better things to be doing with your time than read my 'boring' posts??

 

[Jakus]

Nope its not all different.

Well then I am supprised at least some beta drivers are not available for the 8000 series cards

 

[SGCWill]

so, rite-o i have a monitor that will do 120hz i.e. the screen updates 120 times every second. so my eye can't detect the other 48 frames, therefore my gaming experience has degraded by upgrading my card!

my minimum frame rate i would play a game at is around 20fps, however i like my game to run silky smooth, that is at exactly 72.4fps according to fear (with a 7800gs agp)) anything extra is there to pickup the slack like someone said a big guy comes around the corner at point blank range with a flamethrower and a rocket launcher and the dirt blows up the ground. like in 2142 when arty hits you and theres dirt clouds everywhere.

I like my 8800gtx. i give it my highest rating ever. its like when i had my s3 virge 4mb DX/GX with SLI Voodoo2 and upgraded to a 32mb voodoo5 5500.

You guys who are arguing about facts, while are true (or they wouldnt be facts) are just being wee childer. it performs twice as fast (or more) as the top 7 series card, at less than twice the price. its an obvious choice. then we have dx10 wether or not the card will out do ati's is to be seen, but personally i couldnt care less, as i've never had "the best" and i find that there is no such thing, when comparing products from two totally different mfg's.

away to finish work and buy me a mark of chaos.

 

[oweneades]

8800GTX > *

Tut tut,

8800GTX SLI > *

 

[Boogle]

Errr...no, it hasn't. Fighter pilots, reaction time and scientific studies really don't have any bearing on what I said. Reaction time in particular is totally irrelevant to the issue here. I never said everyone had the same reaction time or the fps was static for everyone. Where the hell did that come from? That has nothing to do with this. OK, I will say it again in plain English. In gameplay, any framerate over 72fps (or thereabouts) is not going to be detectable to lowrider007. THAT IS IT! That's not to say everyone's eye works EXACTLY the same way, but give or take a frame, the fact remains that for the average gamer like lowrider007, whether he gets 150fps or 80fps, he won't notice the difference.

Actually it has a direct bearing. Most studies use the time it takes for signals from the eye to get to the brain as their basis for the 'framerate' of the eye. In essence someone with quicker reaction times has either faster nerves, or a faster brain (or both), and both have a direct impact on how fast you see. However, since the eyes don't work like that, we have a predator-type vision. In essence we see movement easiest of all, and its a fairly constant stream. Think of an LCD, that has a reaction time rather than a static fps. Anyway, we also change how fast we see depending on adrenaline (someone who is in a fight will actually see a lot faster [in essence it becomes somewhat like slow-motion]), as well as how fast you are moving yourself. If you get in a car and go 10mph, you'll have pretty good peripheral vision. If you travel at 100mph your vision will be almost directly ahead, with no peripheral vision. This is why its dangerous drive at high speed, you don't see hazards on the side of the road.

Unless the 72fps is made up with no practical basis? In that case, then yes, reaction times have no bearing on the figure you provided.

BTW I do have a suspicion for where 72fps came from. 72fps used to be a fairly standard refresh rate for monitors, hence over 72fps would effectively be 'wasted'. But that ignores the human brain - it interpolates motion. Lets say 3 frames are rendered per refresh of the monitor, the image (if the tearing isn't awful) could actually be processed by the brain in such a way that the general movement is picked up more accurately. I suspect this motion-interpolation is responsible for why some people are fine at 30fps, and others need 60fps+ It would also potentially be why some people are badly affected by tearing, and others aren't.

However, without a real study, involving many test subjects from all walks of life, this is mostly theoretical when it comes to games. Most conclusions are derived from tests with cars and the like.

 

[.one.]

A little of topic but just tested my reaction time over 5 tests == 0.20939999999999997 sec

not bad for an old fart like me

 

[Jakus]

Good Post Boogle,
You only left out the bit about some people getting like a motion sickness, or Nausia while Gaming...Indeed we are all very different..

 

[The Asgard]

Good Post Boogle,
You only left out the bit about some people getting like a motion sickness, or Nausia while Gaming...Indeed we are all very different..

Suffer from that a lot with FPS. With Halflife 2 its "sick bucket on standby" after 15mins. While Doom 3, UT, WOW I can play for hours without any issues.

 

[Neil79]

I played gothic 3 and i wanted to puke for more reasons than one

 

[LeeMc]

Heh , funny you should say that Asgard as I have the exact same problem with halflife 2 , its pure pukecity for me but no other game or even being in the backseat of a car , rollercoasters etc etc affect me at all.
weird !

 

[Minstadave]

Heh , funny you should say that Asgard as I have the exact same problem with halflife 2 , its pure pukecity for me but no other game or even being in the backseat of a car , rollercoasters etc etc affect me at all.
weird !

HL2 uses an odd field of view (FoV) that seems to be the cause of its problems.

 

[Boogle]

Good Post Boogle,
You only left out the bit about some people getting like a motion sickness, or Nausia while Gaming...Indeed we are all very different..

Thanks As Minstadave said, its usually due to the FOV. Having said that some people can't handle computer games of any kind, although they can sometimes handle sniping. So those really good snipers - they're probably doing it because they vomit if they run at all

 

[silversurfer]

The original HL allowed FOV to be altered I think. It probably qualifies as a cheat but worth trying in single player?