Yep
Where I caught mine! Dead handy Pokemon to have while mooching about before the Elite Four.
Pokemon White/Black
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Yep
Where I caught mine! Dead handy Pokemon to have while mooching about before the Elite Four.
Also, remember on white the longer you play it the less Pokemon you can capture
wait what??, whys that?, and I'm on Black at the moment, still have to start on White
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I think I'm going to get this, which one should I buy? White or Black?
For the people who have them - which special feature is more useful? The City or the Forest?
For the people who have them - which special feature is more useful? The City or the Forest?
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Mini Guide:
How to Maximise Attack
STAB Attack. Same Type Attack Bonus - 50% extra damage.
If you have a Water Pokemon, using a Water based move gives you an extra 50% damage.
E.g if you have an Oshawott (water type) and use the move Water Gun (40 base damage), the base damage recieves a 1.5x bonus, making it equivalent to a 60 base damage move. Therefore, it pays dividends to use the same type attack as the type of the pokemon. Water + Water in this example.
Using a Pokemons strength.
Attack is split into Special Attacks and Physical Attacks. Some Pokemon have a high Attack stat, some have a high Special Attack. If your Pokemon has a naturally higher Physical Attack than a Special Attack it makes sense to pair this with the relevant Nature to maximise that attack stat. OR to raise speed without compromising the best Attack stat for that particular pokemon.
Physical Attacker, ideal Natures: Adamant (Attack +10%, SP. Attack - 10%), Jolly (Speed +10%, Sp. Attack -10%)
Special Attacker, ideal natures: Modest (Sp. Attack +10%, Attack -10%), Timid (Speed +10%, Attack -10%)
Example, Gyarados has a massive Attack and Low Special Attack as a neutral nature. Therefore to make the most out of Gyarados, you will focus on Physical Attacks and NOT special attacks. SO obtaining an Adamant or Jolly Gyarados is ideal. You would then want to teach it the best moves that have STAB and a Physical base, lets look at 2 Water based STAB attacks:
Surf is a water move with 95 base attack. it looks good as 95 is very high, it gets STAB bonus so its actually 95*1.5 but it runs on Special Attack.
WaterFall. it only has 80 Base Attack but still gets STAB being Water Type. And it runs off the physical attack so gets the full benefit of Gyarados's huge 383 attack. (plus waterfall can cause Flinching 20% of the time meaning you dont get hit back 20% of the time as long as you attack first and hit.
Other Pokemon might have a very high special attack, and so Surf would be better suited to them, for example Milotic has a higher Special Attack than Physical Attack stats, so you'd ideally learn more special attacks than physical to take advantage of its strengths. You wouldnt want an Adamant Milotic as it does not make best use of its natural stats. it is a defensive pokemon and would ideally be Calm or similar, so a nature that can -10% off Attack (it wont be using attack anyway) and get the benefit of an extra 10% in the Defences somewhere.
Type Coverage
Does that mean that you should load a water Pokemon with 4x water moves? Hell no.
Type coverage matters. See chart here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/type.shtml
Just because you have a water pokemon doesnt mean that you want to learn 4x water based moves with it. One is usually enough. The other 3 slots should be taken up by 'Coverage moves'. Find out what your pokemons weaknesses are. Then run a move that helps that pokemon to defeat a foe with opposite typing.
For example, Water type pokemon recieves 2x as much damage from an Electric attack as a standard attack. To counter this, we know that Electric type pokemon are weak to Ground based moves. So Give that Gyarados 'EarthQuake' - no it doesnt get STAB bonus, but it does leverage Gyarados's high Physical attack and can take out its main foe, the Electric type.
Using a combination of STAB, the right Physical or Special Attacks along with the right Nature will give your pokemon MUCH more punch. Give it coverage moves to protect its weakeneses.
Win.
How to Maximise Attack
STAB Attack. Same Type Attack Bonus - 50% extra damage.
If you have a Water Pokemon, using a Water based move gives you an extra 50% damage.
E.g if you have an Oshawott (water type) and use the move Water Gun (40 base damage), the base damage recieves a 1.5x bonus, making it equivalent to a 60 base damage move. Therefore, it pays dividends to use the same type attack as the type of the pokemon. Water + Water in this example.
Using a Pokemons strength.
Attack is split into Special Attacks and Physical Attacks. Some Pokemon have a high Attack stat, some have a high Special Attack. If your Pokemon has a naturally higher Physical Attack than a Special Attack it makes sense to pair this with the relevant Nature to maximise that attack stat. OR to raise speed without compromising the best Attack stat for that particular pokemon.
Physical Attacker, ideal Natures: Adamant (Attack +10%, SP. Attack - 10%), Jolly (Speed +10%, Sp. Attack -10%)
Special Attacker, ideal natures: Modest (Sp. Attack +10%, Attack -10%), Timid (Speed +10%, Attack -10%)
Example, Gyarados has a massive Attack and Low Special Attack as a neutral nature. Therefore to make the most out of Gyarados, you will focus on Physical Attacks and NOT special attacks. SO obtaining an Adamant or Jolly Gyarados is ideal. You would then want to teach it the best moves that have STAB and a Physical base, lets look at 2 Water based STAB attacks:
Surf is a water move with 95 base attack. it looks good as 95 is very high, it gets STAB bonus so its actually 95*1.5 but it runs on Special Attack.
WaterFall. it only has 80 Base Attack but still gets STAB being Water Type. And it runs off the physical attack so gets the full benefit of Gyarados's huge 383 attack. (plus waterfall can cause Flinching 20% of the time meaning you dont get hit back 20% of the time as long as you attack first and hit.
Other Pokemon might have a very high special attack, and so Surf would be better suited to them, for example Milotic has a higher Special Attack than Physical Attack stats, so you'd ideally learn more special attacks than physical to take advantage of its strengths. You wouldnt want an Adamant Milotic as it does not make best use of its natural stats. it is a defensive pokemon and would ideally be Calm or similar, so a nature that can -10% off Attack (it wont be using attack anyway) and get the benefit of an extra 10% in the Defences somewhere.
Type Coverage
Does that mean that you should load a water Pokemon with 4x water moves? Hell no.
Type coverage matters. See chart here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/type.shtml
Just because you have a water pokemon doesnt mean that you want to learn 4x water based moves with it. One is usually enough. The other 3 slots should be taken up by 'Coverage moves'. Find out what your pokemons weaknesses are. Then run a move that helps that pokemon to defeat a foe with opposite typing.
For example, Water type pokemon recieves 2x as much damage from an Electric attack as a standard attack. To counter this, we know that Electric type pokemon are weak to Ground based moves. So Give that Gyarados 'EarthQuake' - no it doesnt get STAB bonus, but it does leverage Gyarados's high Physical attack and can take out its main foe, the Electric type.
Using a combination of STAB, the right Physical or Special Attacks along with the right Nature will give your pokemon MUCH more punch. Give it coverage moves to protect its weakeneses.
Win.
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What's Nasty Plot? Swords dance? Dragon dance?
They don't do damage, they must be for girls right?
I thought that too. Afterall what is 'increases stat x by one stage'? Well actually one stage is a lot. Usually by 50%. Take Dragon Dance, ideal for Gyarados (Adamant) who already has Mega attack and okay speed.
To run a stat altering move, you want to be sure that you arent about to get One Hit KO'ed as soon as you have done the move. I.e Gyarados is weak to electricity. it wouldn't make sense to bring him in to a fight against a Zapdos, or Raichu or Blitzle and then try to set this up. If you put your opponent to sleep, or paralyze him with one Pokemon, this is a good time to bring in a pokemon with a stat enhancing move, and then try to exploit this 'free' time to do the moves of your choosing.
WHat you are doing is in effect, setting up the sweep. i.e raising your pokemons stats to such an extent that no matter who comes in to face him in that battle, your pokemon will either out Speed or out Power him and KO him in one or two moves, without dieing himself.
SO with Gyarados, if you get a chance to set up and do a Dragon Dance knowing you won't die in the next 2 turns - you can set up the sweep and literally outspeed and out damage your opponents one after another.(dragon dance raises attack and speed by 1 stage.)
Other Pokemon can learn similar moves but with a different effect, for instance, Nasty plot raises Special Attack by 2 stages in one turn.
What does each stage do? Raising a stat by 1 stage is equal to adding an extra 50% to your pokemons stat. Say your pokemon has 125 Attack and 100 speed. By doing a Dragon Dance Attack will then become 187.5 and Speed 150. If your poke has 100 Special Attack and you use Nasty Plot, it will be the equivalent of 200 Damage for the remainder of that battle.
The bonus for these move stacks. You can repeat Dragon Dance and Nasty Plot to create even more havoc. Doing 2x Dragon Dances means you will double both Attack and Speed stats. Doing 2x Nasty Plots will increase your Special Attack by 300%. You can raise a stat by upto a factor of 6. So you can Dragon Dance 6 times to get up to 400% boost to Attack and Speed. Nasty Plot will only work 3 times as it raises by 2 stages each time, meaning you will hit 6x after 3 goes of that moves, providing 400% extra damage via Special Attack.
See here for a detailed breakdown.
http://www.psypokes.com/lab/stats.php
They don't do damage, they must be for girls right?
I thought that too. Afterall what is 'increases stat x by one stage'? Well actually one stage is a lot. Usually by 50%. Take Dragon Dance, ideal for Gyarados (Adamant) who already has Mega attack and okay speed.
To run a stat altering move, you want to be sure that you arent about to get One Hit KO'ed as soon as you have done the move. I.e Gyarados is weak to electricity. it wouldn't make sense to bring him in to a fight against a Zapdos, or Raichu or Blitzle and then try to set this up. If you put your opponent to sleep, or paralyze him with one Pokemon, this is a good time to bring in a pokemon with a stat enhancing move, and then try to exploit this 'free' time to do the moves of your choosing.
WHat you are doing is in effect, setting up the sweep. i.e raising your pokemons stats to such an extent that no matter who comes in to face him in that battle, your pokemon will either out Speed or out Power him and KO him in one or two moves, without dieing himself.
SO with Gyarados, if you get a chance to set up and do a Dragon Dance knowing you won't die in the next 2 turns - you can set up the sweep and literally outspeed and out damage your opponents one after another.(dragon dance raises attack and speed by 1 stage.)
Other Pokemon can learn similar moves but with a different effect, for instance, Nasty plot raises Special Attack by 2 stages in one turn.
What does each stage do? Raising a stat by 1 stage is equal to adding an extra 50% to your pokemons stat. Say your pokemon has 125 Attack and 100 speed. By doing a Dragon Dance Attack will then become 187.5 and Speed 150. If your poke has 100 Special Attack and you use Nasty Plot, it will be the equivalent of 200 Damage for the remainder of that battle.
The bonus for these move stacks. You can repeat Dragon Dance and Nasty Plot to create even more havoc. Doing 2x Dragon Dances means you will double both Attack and Speed stats. Doing 2x Nasty Plots will increase your Special Attack by 300%. You can raise a stat by upto a factor of 6. So you can Dragon Dance 6 times to get up to 400% boost to Attack and Speed. Nasty Plot will only work 3 times as it raises by 2 stages each time, meaning you will hit 6x after 3 goes of that moves, providing 400% extra damage via Special Attack.
See here for a detailed breakdown.
http://www.psypokes.com/lab/stats.php
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Cheers for the guide Running, awesome for a Pokenoob like me!
I got Pokemon Black to give me something else apart from 3DS games to play - haven't played the series since Red/Blue! Is there any way to get a Pikachu in this version? Would love to have one for old times sake
I got Pokemon Black to give me something else apart from 3DS games to play - haven't played the series since Red/Blue! Is there any way to get a Pikachu in this version? Would love to have one for old times sake
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Im slowly coming to the conclusion that a prefer soul silver than black.
I dont know if its because i dont know any of the pokemon in the new one or that playing soul silver brings back memories of playing the old games more?
I dont know if its because i dont know any of the pokemon in the new one or that playing soul silver brings back memories of playing the old games more?
Cheers for the guide Running, awesome for a Pokenoob like me!
I got Pokemon Black to give me something else apart from 3DS games to play - haven't played the series since Red/Blue! Is there any way to get a Pikachu in this version? Would love to have one for old times sake
You'll need to trade one up
You could try breeding one
It brings back memories for me thats for sure, I might play Fire Red and Soul Silver again
, but I am liking Black and White, but I'm LMAO at the names of some of the Pokemon
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I prefer the Pokemon from HG/ss but I like the speed of the battles in b+ w.
That's why I imported half a team from my HG cart and am considering dropping Oshawotr in favour of my Shiny Gyarados I caught at the lake of rage instead.
Tip don't forget to use your TM's.
Shelgon level 37 adamant. (+10% attack nature)
Dragon Claw (dragon - STAB)
Shadow claw (ghost)
Brick break (fight)
Dragon dance. (+50% attack + 50% speed boost)
Note that all 3 attack moves use the Physical Attack to leverage shelgons high attack stat, and will all get a bonus from dragon dance. It also makes me super effective against a great number of Pokemon types including Ghosts who are only susceptible to dark or ghost attacks.
If I come up against a trainer with 2 or more tough pokes first move I use I'd dragony dance to get 1.5x attack and speed boost. Then I hit them with dragon claw, if that doesn't kill them use brick break. I use shadow claw to beatdown ghosts and psychic types as it does 2x damage(super effective) but when I evolve into Salamence ill equip with Earthquake for larger coverage.
See type chart here:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PokemonTypeChart.PNG
That's why I imported half a team from my HG cart and am considering dropping Oshawotr in favour of my Shiny Gyarados I caught at the lake of rage instead.
Tip don't forget to use your TM's.
Shelgon level 37 adamant. (+10% attack nature)
Dragon Claw (dragon - STAB)
Shadow claw (ghost)
Brick break (fight)
Dragon dance. (+50% attack + 50% speed boost)
Note that all 3 attack moves use the Physical Attack to leverage shelgons high attack stat, and will all get a bonus from dragon dance. It also makes me super effective against a great number of Pokemon types including Ghosts who are only susceptible to dark or ghost attacks.
If I come up against a trainer with 2 or more tough pokes first move I use I'd dragony dance to get 1.5x attack and speed boost. Then I hit them with dragon claw, if that doesn't kill them use brick break. I use shadow claw to beatdown ghosts and psychic types as it does 2x damage(super effective) but when I evolve into Salamence ill equip with Earthquake for larger coverage.
See type chart here:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PokemonTypeChart.PNG
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Tummy what nature mew do you want I have about 4. Remember they have synchronize ability so you can use it as a lead to try to catch Pokemon of the same nature (50% success rate) ideal for legendary pokes if you want one of a specific nature.
Really pikachu I have a few from my HG pokewalker I can trade if you want.
Really pikachu I have a few from my HG pokewalker I can trade if you want.
That'd be awesome if you have one spare - I've only just beaten the 1st gym so I don't have anything to trade at the moment though
That'd be awesome if you have one spare - I've only just beaten the 1st gym so I don't have anything to trade at the moment though
I think you need to defeat the Elite 4 first Qdos..
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I can send you a pichu or pikachu before you have beaten the elite 4.
I haave. Loads of other good stuff that people might want:
Feraligatr lvl 5 modest but with awesome IVs.
Porygon z modest lvl 36 great IVs.
Charizard lonely lvl 20 odd.
Squirtle/wartortle bold lvl 30 ish.
Pupitar lvl 44 adamant.
I want throh adamant/jolly sawk adamant/jolly. Ducklett any nature.
I haave. Loads of other good stuff that people might want:
Feraligatr lvl 5 modest but with awesome IVs.
Porygon z modest lvl 36 great IVs.
Charizard lonely lvl 20 odd.
Squirtle/wartortle bold lvl 30 ish.
Pupitar lvl 44 adamant.
I want throh adamant/jolly sawk adamant/jolly. Ducklett any nature.
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Double post.
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Okay, i mass imported probably 60 pokemon from Pearl-->Black yesterday.
I now have Psyduck, Mew, Pikachu etc for trades... they are random spreads of IV's though, they are not bred projects.
I now have Psyduck, Mew, Pikachu etc for trades... they are random spreads of IV's though, they are not bred projects.