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Polaris refresh?

How on earth XFX can advertise their 480 as 110w TDP is beyond me, seeing as AMD themselves list it as 150w typical board power.
 
hmm, my order's been shipped so it looks like I'm stuck with my RX480s now, I almost hope this is untrue, ha! Man, their value is going to take a hell of a kicking if they release sub 100w cards with Fury/Fury X performance. I've got a feeling I'm going to be ranting about this for years. This is what I get for being impatient for Zen & Vega, instant regret.

I couldn't find anything online to substantiate this mind but I have a feeling it's true.
 
Nasher said:
If you look at most others they are 150w, but XFX did something to theirs.
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The PCB is apparently the same on the HIS cards, so it could have been a joint venture. If there is anything different other than the cooler it will be the bios. The numbers quoted in the review could apparently just be what the GPU core is using going from what others have said.
 
AllBodies said:
It does baffle me how the RX 480 is so much less efficient currently though. As far as I gather Samsung's 14LPP process is supposed to be mildly superior to TSMC's 16FF+.
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I believe Polaris wasn't ground up designed for 14/16nm process though - it was originally intended for the 20/22nm process that never happened and adapted midway through development (as far as I know - I could be wrong)
 
TheMorningStar said:
hmm, my order's been shipped so it looks like I'm stuck with my RX480s now, I almost hope this is untrue, ha! Man, their value is going to take a hell of a kicking if they release sub 100w cards with Fury/Fury X performance. I've got a feeling I'm going to be ranting about this for years. This is what I get for being impatient for Zen & Vega, instant regret.

I couldn't find anything online to substantiate this mind but I have a feeling it's true.
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Don't open them, just send them back and wait it out, especially if you have a card to tide you over currently
 
Freddie1980 said:
I think they have hit the retail market. The MSI GTR model looks like it has benefited from the process improvement.
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but isn't that around 95 -110 watts or something under 100% load. vs the 150ish? Not quite 50% lol but that may be under best case scenario like 50% load or something.

Still quite a good improvement.

actually watching Jaytwocents video again. When looping heaven it was around 85-90 which may be closer to ingame usage rather than 3dmark.
 
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I would hazard a guess and say just like every other marketing department they took the best case results for the 4XX lineup and used it in their leaks/measurements/announcements.

I would expect something more like 35-45% in reality.
 
Freddie1980 said:
I think they have hit the retail market. The MSI GTR model looks like it has benefited from the process improvement.
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No way they're going to release *significantly* improved GPU's under the same name without telling anybody. That would be a real slap in the face to previous Polaris buyers. Especially just a few months after release.
 
Seanspeed said:
No way they're going to release *significantly* improved GPU's under the same name without telling anybody. That would be a real slap in the face to previous Polaris buyers. Especially just a few months after release.
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Its been done before nVidia re-released the GTX560ti with the 448 core variant and AMD or ATI did similar but I can't remember which off the top of my head (then you have the 7970 v 7970GHZ though that is a little different).
 
What does everyone think of the rumours that the improvements are a result of metal mask layers + binning?

Is it possible improvements in the masks could yield such an improvement? Hoping for expert-ish opinion!
 
These new revisions are already available to the embedded market, with AMD being likely to bring these revised GPUs to the mobile market to compete with Nvidia's mobile Pascal lineup. It has also been reported that AMD may be planning to refresh their Polaris lineup with an RX 4X5 series of GPUs.
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It doesn't sound like the 480/70/60 will be refreshed from reading that.
 
Armageus said:
I believe Polaris wasn't ground up designed for 14/16nm process though - it was originally intended for the 20/22nm process that never happened and adapted midway through development (as far as I know - I could be wrong)
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Sounds like a reasonable explanation.

And would also follow why Polaris 10 is the largest chip in the Polaris arch. and Vega is actually a different arch. (or so AMD has heavily implied anyway)

LoadsaMoney said:
It doesn't sound like the 480/70/60 will be refreshed from reading that.
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AMD had a slide mentioning that the 4XX branding meant 4 - family/generation, first X - tier/power (higher better), second X - 0 or 5 (5 for revision)

So since they mentioned it could have a 5 for a revision, it's plausible a 485, 475, 465 could come.
 
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Nah, if the cards are good I'll keep them. They seem to be quiet as hell, if that's true I'm happy, I have a few orders coming over the next week, will be nice to get the upgrade done all at once.

I'll see if I can get anything for the BF1 upgrade codes on the MM, so it's not a total loss.
 
DarrenM343 said:
If a Polaris refresh happens so soon that would surely be indicative of an AMD rush job on the first Polaris cards? :D
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There can always be optimizations and improvements, a new node needs refinement and that takes time, time that the market would be stuck buying even older, more power hungry devices. This is quite a big one mind (if true), it's a shame they couldn't rectify those aspects on the initial launch.
 
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