Poles

cleanbluesky said:
If you want to justify the presence of foreign things with rhetoric such as "this is a multicultural country, get used to it" then you are merely saying if you disagree with foreign practice you are Wrong. And look what wonderful foreign practices that can include...
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I have gone to read what he said and my interpretation is that he was reffering to the fact that the OP seem to think poles (all poles?) or the fact that they are poles means they act in certain way....Will this fall under sterotyping?

Anyhow, there is a clear cut between Multicuralism/asking people to get use to it and disagreeing with foreign practice in my opinion. I accept multiculturalism but i know Jihad (for example) is a foreign practices i disagree with....that dont make me my position on multiculturalism contradictory...if you see what i mean.
 
wormwood said:
Well seen as you have quoted me can you explain how you have come to the conclusion that I feel this way about Poles? I have never said or hinted at anything like that.
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Yeah you're right, I was arguing against sentiments expressed by several people in the thread, and your post alone didn't reflect all of them.


I said that our immigration polocies need a complete overhaul so we only allow proffesionals that our country is in desperate need of. I believe we have enough problems with our own people, who I don't see as any better but do believe our country has responsibility for.
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What I was pointing out was that you forfeited that right by joining the EU, but you continue to reap the benefits while constantly whining about the sacrifices you have to make, which aren't all that bad compared to those of other countries, such as the Germans who contribute about FIVE TIMES AS MUCH AS THE UK to the EU budget, or citizens in smaller countries who found themselves strapped for cash when prices were "rounded up" ( :rolleyes: ) after they adopted the Euro, which was basically a statistically invisible inflation spike.
What you guys get instead is builders and tradesmen from Eastern Europe coming over here to fix your Victorian-era houses for less money. Oh noes, der takin' our jawbs!

Please don't refer to our politicians as my betters and show some respect to your fellow posters who may have a differing opinion to yours.
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It's not the fact that you hold a different opinion to mine that annoys me, if you want your country to leave the EU then more power to you - at least you're not among those who wantto have their cake and eat it! What annoys me is the arrogance with which people talk about foreigners simply because wages are higher here than in their own countries. I felt sorry for the OP running into those ********, but you all went on to **** foreigners as if you're the bastion of culture and civility, whereas the truth is there's a lot more British ******** abroad than there are foreign ******** in Britain!
 
Rancidelephant said:
And for any more people who still cant grasp that immigration is good for the economy
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It might well be, in the short term - it just isn't good for the country. Unless you think the economy and country are synonymous.
 
Britain currently has an ageing population and a declining birth rate (as do most european countries). More people are retiring early, people are living later. If we want to continue our current levels of growth and quality of living, we need migrant workers. Not only do they provide valuable labour and revenue, but they're also willing to work in far worse circumstances/for a lot less pay, than a lot of Britons. That's what I picked up in my lectures on refugees and asylum, anyway.
 
retribution said:
Britain currently has an ageing population and a declining birth rate (as do most european countries). More people are retiring early, people are living later. If we want to continue our current levels of growth and quality of living, we need migrant workers. Not only do they provide valuable labour and revenue, but they're also willing to work in far worse circumstances/for a lot less pay, than a lot of Britons. That's what I picked up in my lectures on refugees and asylum, anyway.
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Please see the long SC thread on immigration for rebuttal of this argument.
 
dirtydog said:
It might well be, in the short term - it just isn't good for the country. Unless you think the economy and country are synonymous.
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Since the main measure of success within a country at the moment is GDP then yes a successful country is one with an increasing GDP i.e. one with high immigration. Personally I feel this is a ludicrous measure of success since when crime, desiese, death, and anything else bad happens your GDP goes up. Like it or not the economy is currently the main measure of success for a country.

Until that changes we will not curb immigration, it would be political suicide. All you need to currently do is shout a few remarks about how bad immigration is while keeping the doors open and everyone is happy.

Link to the post rebutting the theory posted above? I don't want to read a whole enormouse thread to find one post.
 
jonesy said:
All I see they do is in my experience, take all the low paid jobs, so UK citizens cannot get them.
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...and how many white/english/trash/scumbags do you see wanting to do those jobs? None. They'd rather have kids and go live in a council house and do nothing all day. Oh whoops there I go stereotyping again :rolleyes:

My grandad was Polish and came over to fight in the war against Germany which makes me somewhat Polish by descent, do you have a problem with me?
 
where you overtaking then? As polish cars are left hand drive, otherwise the passenger would have had to throw something over the top of his car. Not that this adds anything to the discussion, i was just wondering.

One serious question: How did you know they where polish?

Polish plates on a car doesnt mean the people in side are polish. By that logic, i have german plates on my car so i must be german.

You should have taken their plate down and complained to the police, like i did when some english idiot got out of his car at traffic lights and kicked the g/fs golf. Totally unprovoked attack like yours.

He admitted to kicking the car but because we couldnt prove the dent was there before he kicked it the g/f was advised just to drop it.
 
Pointless thread. They're here and not going anywhere. Rather discuss on how you're going to deal with it. Personally I couldn't give a crap either way. All the Poles I know is good as gold and work insanely hard. I have a Polish friend that came here in 2004 on a broken motorbike and now owns 3 properties and 3 luxury cars thanks to running a very successful painting and decorating business. He first only employed British people to "give back" to the UK but was finding it impossible to motivate the useless trash so has resorted to fellow Poles and anyone else non-British.
 
ElRazur said:
Would you accept minimum wages for the most rubbish jobs? We need them to boost the economy, take it or leave it. Are your parents happy or whoever pays the bill to hire a builder who charges 50pounds a day or a polish worker who will do the same job (assuming every thing is equal) for 30 pounds?
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What about housing prices? How does continual economic growth help the people of UK?

What of the social effects of immigration?
 
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