Yes it is.
Cool. So you agree with what I said regarding it. Glad we cleared that up.
That's not what I said, no. I pointed out that such things as police states start somewhere, and this sort of thing is on the right tracks to that.
So find this case law which backs up your point,
^that one.
You seem to be misunderstanding me again. I pointed out that the EU case law (which I've already linked to) was referenced in the Dutch case, with it being EU case law, it's relevant. That ISPs can't be forced to take measures which don't work.
Frankly it's hilarious you criticise the police for having banners calling it a crime when you say it's illegal :\.
I don't think you know what hilarious means. Illegal and criminal aren't the same thing, do you realise this? Illegal also isn't a synonym for bad, wrong or incorrect.
But anyway, so what if you buy something and it's rubbish? In the future you can choose not to buy stuff produced by Michael Bay, if you watch something of his and it's awful. No one's forcing you to buy media. And I find it really hard to be sympathetic when people cry about buying a film for £20, or a game for £40, or whatever, then it being rubbish - there are all sorts of ways to find out with a reasonable degree of certainty if something's worth the money or not...
Yes, I know I've already stated as much. I don't think trying before you buy is an issue at all. If it's good, they are rewarded for their service, if not, then no one loses out.
I don't think anyone wants your sympathy for such a situation, I'm just stating it's not a situation I am willing to place myself in to.
and then even if they do buy something and it turns out to be awful, it was £20/£40/whatever. Not the end of the World. And in the future just boycott them... no one's forcing you to watch films/play games/etc.
Except that this method, the only person to ever really lose out is the customer.
Of course there's a reason people torrent media/acquire it in other ways. No one denies that. But that isn't justification, as you allude to/seem to concede.
No I'm not conceding it, I'm saying that people don't *need* to justify it, except that you seem to think people do need to justify it.
I am saying whilst a justification isn't needed, giving reasoning for why people do it isn't a justification (as I don't believe it needs justifying).
Again, no one's forcing you to buy their product. If you don't like it, don't buy a ticket. They're not denying you any human rights, ffs!
I never said any of this. However in the real world, piracy exists and IS an option whether you or anyone else likes it or not.
The rules don't apply to them? Demonstrate where they've broken laws/infringed intellectual property rights and had no action against them? And it's not as though they're smashing doors down and taking all your money... they're just shutting down the big sites and going after the people who actually have committed crimes/made loads of money from copyright infringement/etc
I don't think you understand the point being made. If they are using software that has been cracked in their offices, then they are technically making money through the use of copyright infringement, and yet they scream and cry about how awful piracy is yet they are willing to do it themselves.
http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2008/03/sony-bmgs-hypocrisy-company-busted-for-using-warez/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...Bros-Sued-for-Pirating-Anti-Piracy-Technology
http://torrentfreak.com/warner-music-director-caught-in-piracy-110620/
You have seemingly glossed over the WB situation where they were selling the music of artists they had right to be selling, so were making money off material they had pirated.
http://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-bt-110913/
(obviously someone will probably respond to that point by linking to a case where some kid was sued for eleventy billion gazillion Dollars for downloading Godzilla, but that's obviously disproportionate and not something I support... it is extremely rare, however... I think?!).
The conclusions of that kind are rare, but them trying that sort of stuff isn't. They have gone after people before who don't even have internet connections. They lie about all sorts, and yet you seem to put stock in what they say and the claims they make.
