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A sad sign of target-driven policing if you ask me. Their crime stats look bad due to too many idiots being able to understand the concept of locking a car up - well, their loss if valuables are stolen.

Cars have had locks for a long time, its hardly a new invention!

So in order to massage the crime figures down, the local bobbies are wasting their time with this when they could be spending their time better on real policing, or actual sensible prevention of crime initiatives.
 
sr4470 said:
We're mostly crammed into urban centres, which by their nature will have higher crime rates due to local population density.
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ALL crime rates? Or just certain crime rates?

For instance Japan has a lower murder rate per capita than the UK (and is far more urban surely).
I'm willing to bet that Japan, Singapore and the like also have lower petty crime rates.
 
G J said:
Isn't taking something without permission theft/stealing, regardless of the intent.
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meghatronic said:
Not in the UK.
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Depends on the item stolen. If I was to leave tickets to a football match visible and the police took them causing me to miss the match then that is theft under English law ... might have to try that to get the police officer prosecuted for theft :D
 
rypt said:
I'm willing to bet that Japan, Singapore and the like also have lower petty crime rates.
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There is also an issue with how much crime is actually being reported as well. It may be a cultural thing to report less for instance. Not saying your example is bad, just generally comparing to other countries is a bit pointless. This is our problem not theirs.

And I say, a national chav cull is a solution.
 
'However, one problem we have got is too many thefts from motor vehicles. The main reason for this is sheer thoughtlessness and carelessness by car owners.'
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Really? I would have thought that the main reason had something to do with there being car thieves about.
 
Offences punishable by caning
Singaporean law allows caning to be ordered for over 30 offences, including robbery, gang robbery with murder, drug use, vandalism, and rioting.[3] Caning is also a mandatory punishment for certain offences such as rape, drug trafficking and for visiting foreigners who overstay their visa.
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Would help in UK if all thieving chavs got 10-24 strikes for theft
 
rypt said:
Depends on the item stolen. If I was to leave tickets to a football match visible and the police took them causing me to miss the match then that is theft under English law ... might have to try that to get the police officer prosecuted for theft :D
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Nope, as it's
a) not dishonest; there is no deception
b) there is no appropriation of the property (the note says that you can collect it at any time)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Nope, as it's
a) not dishonest; there is no deception
b) there is no appropriation of the property (the note says that you can collect it at any time)
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There is dishonesty as the police officer has no legal grounds to deprive you of the property.
And I think "appropriation" still occurs as the property is still physically taken in the first place from the vehicle/premises the rightful owner owns.
 
...and what happens when young chavvy McCopper decides he likes the look of the iPod on show and just doesn't leave a note?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
It's not theft. There is no intent to permanently deprive.
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So if i see unlocked cars then I'm perfectly free to take what i want and leave a note saying they can pick it up later?

Burnsy2023 said:
Don't leave stuff unattended then. Rather the Police did it than a thief.
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It's my stuff I should be allowed to do what i want with it without the police taking it (presuming it's not doing anything illegal.)
 
G J said:
Isn't taking something without permission theft/stealing, regardless of the intent.
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No.

There has to be an element of dishonesty and also to permanently deprive the owner of it.

In the case of someone taking a car for a joyride but with no intention of keeping it or selling it on, the offence of TWOC is used.

At the OP and those that twist over such actions, part of the police remit is crime prevention and I thought prevention was better than cure ?
 
rypt said:
There is dishonesty as the police officer has no legal grounds to deprive you of the property.
And I think "appropriation" still occurs as the property is still physically taken in the first place from the vehicle/premises the rightful owner owns.
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Where is the dishonesty ? The police officer has no intention of keeping the item, it is logged and stored in secure police storage and the owner can get it back any time.

Appropriation has occurred but there is no intention to permanently deprive and the police have not assumed the rights of the owner, ie they will not keep it or sell it on etc.

You therefore have no offence of theft.
 
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