Police 'to be given powers to view everyone's entire internet history'

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I'm not sure about VPN's - you are basically just trusting them not to keep logs. The people paying for it are, probably, more likely up to dubious things, giving the Feds a shortlist of where to look..... Shirley??

Or the Feds are the ones running the VPN's
 
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So the police will have access to something Google has had for years.

Fine by me.

Infact, I doubt this would mean any changes in what's already being logged. It just means the police can get it. Your ISP already has every piece of data and every site you have visited logged anyway.
 
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I've always considered a website to be the equivalent of a shop and the internet as the equivalent of a road to get to the shop. Using that analogy this is like someone standing on each rpad and outside each shop asking to see my Id card and writing down what I was doing. Welcome to the the land of the free :(
 
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Yes that's exactly what I meant. Do you have no concerns at all that police won't use these powers in ways that they aren't intended to be used? Because history would dictate otherwise. I mean why stop at using it to look at suspects when you realise there are limitless uses in being able to discredit people critical of the way you may have handled certain situations by leaking to the press that they enjoy porn of a certain German disposition?

I do not feel that police departments are sufficiently well funded or trained to be able to keep this incredibly personal information secure.
 
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2 less people who will never call the Police for anything (right?) Thank-you for opting out of this public service to leave more time for decent people *thumbs-up*

I wouldn't waste my time contacting the Police if I got burgled or mugged if that makes me indecent then that's too bad. Do they give crime numbers over Skype just for insurance purposes?
 
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I wouldn't waste my time contacting the Police if I got burgled or mugged if that makes me indecent then that's too bad. Do they give crime numbers over Skype just for insurance purposes?

Why would you waste time getting a reference of insurance. Live your life without the Police. You are not getting a reference without making out a crime, so if you want one, get used to 'wasting your time' with the Police.

Yes that's exactly what I meant. Do you have no concerns at all that police won't use these powers in ways that they aren't intended to be used? Because history would dictate otherwise. I mean why stop at using it to look at suspects when you realise there are limitless uses in being able to discredit people critical of the way you may have handled certain situations by leaking to the press that they enjoy porn of a certain German disposition?

I do not feel that police departments are sufficiently well funded or trained to be able to keep this incredibly personal information secure.

I think you watch too many movies.... Police will have ACCESS to the data. I cannot see a situation where they will store it themselves. Access to said data will have sufficient safeguarding, application/review processes, auditing and otherwise. The same for any other data covered by Data Protection (CCTV et al)

You seem to think it will just all be accessed as and when, for any person, for any purpose by a computer in the staff canteen. The only people who would likely access it routinely will be branches of intelligence/security. Not 'The Police' that you hate so much.
 
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I've always considered a website to be the equivalent of a shop and the internet as the equivalent of a road to get to the shop. Using that analogy this is like someone standing on each rpad and outside each shop asking to see my Id card and writing down what I was doing. Welcome to the the land of the free :(

Then your view of the internet is your issue.

Every hop you make through every device is logged. The only reason logs are deleted is capacity.

There already is someone writing down your ID at each turn you make. People just don't realise it.
 
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If it's to stop terrorism then why is there a 12 month limit?

What research/proof is there that after 12 months your data isn't important?

Why must we monitor everyone when in reality there aren't that many people doing dodgy stuff?

Are the police and politicians going to be monitored too?

There already is someone writing down your ID at each turn you make. People just don't realise it.

But they want to store everything. Not just logs, but the contents of e-mails and messages.

Nothing to hide, so not particularly bothered. It is sad how monitored everything has become though.

Based on that logic, you wouldn't mind a camera in each of your rooms at home?
 
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There will probably come a point where if the police don't see enough facebook, youtube and porn traffic at a particular property they will get suspicious. Like when someone doesn't have a TV license but worse.

We're all just puppets.
 
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It'll be interesting to see the practical application of the storage of all the internet history and contents of every person in the uk is going to pan out, that's gonna be a lot of hard drives that the goverment won't pay for.

Then god forbid the processing power required to do anything more than just pull up specific individuals data, which ofc means that unless you're of interest to the police nobody's going to see it anyway, which tbh simply makes the police slightly more informed about the people they're looking at as opposed to actually being able to use it to track/predict potential criminals/terrorists before they commit crimes.
 
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It's not todays capabilities that should be of any worry, it is the benefit of a foundation in law and practice combined with future advances.

When the system is fully autonomous, is the moment you should shut up and put up.
 
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