Poll: Boris voters - is he camping with a baby?

[Deleted member 68110]

Fascinated to know how many people who voted for Conservatives in last GE or for Brexit who believe Boris Johnson is holidaying in a tent with his girlfriend and their infant child.

Can a mod make a poll, please? I can't remember how to request this.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Why?

It's interesting to see what people refuse to believe, and what people are willing to be credulous about.

You've reminded me. We need a "I'm not in a secure enough position to ask myself this question" option.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

I couldn't care less if he is camping or not, what even is the point of this thread.

What a pointless thread. Garnett is desperately scraping the Bad Boris barrel now, embarrassing.

2 for the "I'm not prepared to ask myself this question" option.

Noted. Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

what the **** are you even on about.

It's as complicated as you make it for yourself, I guess.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

You post a cryptic thread with no info and then start acting as if you're judge jury. Jog on or explain exactly what it is you are even posting about.

Calm down, mate. Anyone would think you're trying to shut down a thread by being as aggressive as possible.

There's nothing cryptic about it. I'm just interested in talking about our PM who is telling us all he's camping with his young family, and how many of his supporters are willing to believe that.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Bit of an odd thread, I wasn’t aware of whether he was camping or not until there was some controversy about it. Apparently he has been camping though (or at least seems to have spent a night in a tent away from staff/security in a field near to the holiday cottage they’ve hired) and has upset a Farmer in the process. (Arguably there is a right to roam in Scotland so the legit objection is perhaps the fire).

It’s not clear whether it was with a baby or not, perhaps baby was in the cottage with a nanny and staff/security... maybe the parents had a night off in the tent.

I’m not quite sure what aspect people are supposed to have been credulous about?

If your original belief was that he didn’t camp in the tent then that now seems dubious given the subsequent stories.

Long post.

So (as per what I thought was a fairly simple opening question) do you believe he was camping with his girlfriend and infant child? Or not?

 

[Deleted member 68110]

It seems ridiculous to assert the mother of an infant would choose to spend 1 night (let alone more) unnecessarily far from her baby.

There's no photo of either girlfriend or child, which defies all historic precedents - where reliably the PM is always photographed with at least their spouse.

The holiday coincides at the time of a global pandemic, and (until they went through a u turn they insisted would not happen) one of the biggest policy scandals - over the A-level grades - in recent UK political history.

For so many reasons it seems only the most willingly credulous would buy this story that Johnson took his infant child camping.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

@garnett How is she “unnecessarily far” from the baby if the baby is say in the cottage the other side of a fence from the field/bit of land they’re on?

It’s hardly implausible for the baby to also be in the tent too, it’s a big glamping tent.

Lack of photos? As above these are pap shots not official photos!

You claim there are “many reasons” yet you only give two rather weak ones.

Unnecessarily far because there's no need there to be further than a room away.

I'm intrigued to know the experience you speak from regarding looking after a baby in a tent.

Your counter to "lack of photos" appears to be "all there are are pap shots" - you'll have to expand on how that counter works.

Yeah, other points would include:- contrary history of no inclination to "rough it", history of turbulent relationship with partner, history of lack of parernal/familial instincts/compulsions...

 

[Deleted member 68110]

But there is no need for them to *only* be a room away.

Who said anything about need or lack of it? Maybe they wanted a night off, since they’re on holiday.

Have you honestly never heard of a posh couple using the services of a nanny?

Example, this tweet claiming they were spotted sans baby:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296871656225472515

I didn’t claim a strong view either way nor claim experience - I think the baby is a red herring. You’re free to provide an argument for it not being plausible though if you do have a strong view there - you haven’t yet...

You referred to historic presidents, but the past two prime ministers invited the press on holiday, this trip was supposed to be secret and they’re just pap shots of him in the vicinity not a staged photo opportunity.

None of that gives you any information re: who stayed in the tent so are you implying that she’s not there at all? Note there are claims that they’ve both been spotted.

What relevance does any of that have? We already know that he was there???

You still having elaborated on what you think happened - do you believe none of them camped? What do you think the tent was for? Can you explain your position here as those last points seem to imply a disbelief that he’s there with his family or that he even stayed in the tent?

You're conflating needs and wants - and failing to explain why a mother would want to be unnecessarily far forom her baby. As you appear to concede, you've no immediate experience if that. I'm not orofessing any kind of expertise but, from experience, that seems pretty odd.

Ive not seen those claims they've both been spotted - links appreciated.

I thought it was pretty straight forward. We were told Johnson was camping with his baby. I've still not seen any evidence of that.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

I’m not conflating needs and wants, I quite clearly made a distinction after you seemed to conflate them.

I’ve also given an explanation - perhaps they wanted a night off to spend time as a couple, while on holiday. Again - are you unaware of posh people using the services of a nanny?

I’d also remind you that the tent is in a field next to the cottage and they likely have staff/security there.

Why?

Now you’re being evasive when directly asked for clarification. Can you answer the questions in the previous post please?

So, aside from your hypothesised "night off", were they camping with their baby, or not? It's a pretty straight forward question. No need for so much waffle.

In terms of your questions, I 'm aware that some people employ nannies, yes.

You ask why parents want to stay close to their infant children... I mean... I don't want to score points, but... I'd hope I've been fairly clear about behaviour that suggests positioning a few rungs down a spectrum.

I asked for links and you're not provided them, and instead accused me of being evasive.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

you’ve not asked for any links, you expressed a sentiment that they’d be appreciated

I forgot how chronic is your literal-mindedness.

You’re again evading the other questions - can we try for a third time - they’re denoted by question marks.

OK then

I’m not quite sure what aspect people are supposed to have been credulous about?

This is just a statement with a question mark at the end?

do you suppose he invited the paps along for some negative coverage?

No

are you able to provide an answer and some reasoning for it?

Yes

Perhaps a bit of elaboration on what you think might be credulous etc...?

I think you'd have to be credulous to believe Johnson spent more time in a tent than on a yacht.

Is that all of the questions you demanded an answer to?

Just so we're clear though - the question I asked was Is Boris camping with his baby and your answer is...

**********************
Him and partner - probably
Baby - either way
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...Non-commital. That's fine, but it counters the Johnson zealots screaming that the question must never be asked.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Garnett hasn’t been seen here since Friday night lol.

he must realise what a plank he looks

Yes, Rob. It can't be anything to do with other things to do at the weekend.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Seems your post has triggered an update... and he's not really elaborating much after his initial narrative fell apart, more evasion and terse replies.

Anyway since then photos have been released including partner and baby:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ares-photos-PM-hiking-Wilfred-baby-sling.html

Yes, that does look like Scotland... not Greece or a yacht... oh how "credulous" people have been

I think that was the intent of the thread no? OP wanted some reason to have a go at Brexiters in GD and it backfired somewhat.

In addition to illustrating that the warped perspective here is perhaps more a case of Boris derangement syndrome among some of the angrier remainers it certainly seems to have triggered this particularly angry one:

^^^ I think that counts as "triggered" right?

Ah back to the fallacies, I see.

I don't think he went camping with his infant baby, you show me a picture of them walking, and bluster about it proving your point.

Do you think we all forget how fixated and pedantic you get about minute issues of evidence posted by others? Why do you think such a glaring problem with your evidence isn't going to get spotted?

This Boris Derangement Syndrome you exhibit, where you must defend him to the hilt against people daring to question his story about going camping... It's very odd.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

So what do you think happened? You've spent several posts avoiding questions etc.. go ahead and provide some clarification:

It's right there in the post where I listed all the questions I believe you asked and answered them one by one. The post you called "terse".

I think you'd have to be credulous to believe Johnson spent more time in a tent than on a yacht.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

As suspected.. another terse response from the OP - just a reminder of some of his arguments to support the vague claim he now refuses to elaborate on - he was initially implying the partner and kid weren't there at all and didn't grasp why a pap shot from a distance just showing Boris isn't really informative on that matter - that it is a bit different to an official shoot or some privately taken holiday pics... (which have since been published) was a point he struggled to grasp... but no, it's other people who are credulous here:

OP - hahaha brexiters are credulous

Also OP, doubting the girlfriend of child are there:

Are you unable to speak to me directly? Really odd approach to social interaction.

I said there was no picture. There wasn't. Now Carrie Symonds has provided some to the media.

As I've said - in the OP and throughout, you need to be very credulous to believe Johnson went on a camping holiday.

I note that the papers that reported it as such have shifted to calling it a "stay at a cottage". No doubt it will shift further.

Given your insistent that my posts answering all your points are somehow "terse", and the urgency and length of your posts defending Johnson, you certainly seem very triggered. What is your view? More time on the yacht or in the tent with his baby?

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Please say why.

Is it your own ignorance to others differing behaviour to your own which makes you unable to comprehend that someone of wealth and importance would still enjoy a stay in a luxury tent, with their new family?

All this credulity you show in your arrogant, obsessive posts make the majority of people reading (I assume) think you need professional help, or at least a spliff or massage or a hug or something.

Even the papers who reported it as a camping holiday have shifted away from that description.

I posted a question and it seems to have triggered quite a number of more obsessive types.

You're wrong about my views and I'm not sure you can evidence any arrogance. I just think it's unlikely they spent more time in that tent than they did on the yacht. What do you think?

 

[Deleted member 68110]

Exactly, (and right next door to a cottage they can access for showers, meals, baby changing etc..) this was pointed out to the OP already though.

Apparently voicing an opinon on the matter that doesn't involve Boris being a liar or decieveing everyone is supporting Boris... despite the story not exactly being a great one for him given the upset farmer.

@garnett I've tried speaking to you directly multiple times and you still refuse to elaborate on what you think happened here, now you've got some backtracking to do too... apparently despite the points (highlighted in bold) in the previously quoted posts:



Right... thats all you did, you just highlghted that she wasn't in the phtos for no reason at all... then commented on his "history of turbulent relationship with partner, history of lack of parernal/familial instincts/compulsions..." for no reason at all...

Keep digging that hole...



I gave my view... I gave two scenarios, couple spending the night(s) in the tent and baby in cottage or all three spending some nights in the tent... it's a big glamping tent right next to the cottage, in fact I'll tilt my view more towards all three being in the tent now given the security team numbers 6 people... not sure if they did have childcare with them.

There's nothing to backtrack on. I gave multiple possible reasons - all of which, I note you're not denying.

And I've constantly elaborated and answered your questions while you refuse to answer mine.

I'll ask again. More time on the yacht or in the tent with his baby?

 

[Deleted member 68110]

I'll answer your question when you actually answer mine, it was simple, I asked "why?"

Because, as the shift in reporting bears out, and as I've said a number of times, he didn't go on a camping holiday.

I believe he spent more time on a yacht than he did in a tent.

If that doesn't answer your question, please ask it again and I'll try to provide a fuller answer. I'm not trying to evade anything here.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

So initially you seemed to not believe he had gone camping, now you have left open the possibility that he did spend some time in a tent... (but more time in some unspecified yacht)... care to elaborate - are you saying he did in fact camp at some point after all?

The narrative seems to have changed (now we've got photos) OK, maybe he's gone camping... but but but *something about a yacht*.

Do you ever stop to think that maye you had the dubious take here - thus the earlier evasiveness when more details started emerging that undermined the initial OP.

This yacht:-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1296171847613063168

(If this genuinely wasn't a known fact from the start, then I apologise.)

I'll concede that I thought there was an aspect to this where Symonds and infant weren't there at all, which now looks to be the case.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

You ruined any chance of a fair discussion when you decided that people either refuse to believe or are credulous, like there isnt any room for believing something and that something being the truth...

Let's say Boris had no intention of using the tent. What's the point? Why put it up at all? in a location nobody was supposed to know about, why put a tent up and not use it?

Yeah. Fair point.