Poor Ron Paul getting ignored by main stream media

They could go back to 2000 spending levels and remove income tax, income tax is not the only revenue. Lose wasteful programs.

There is lots of different ways.

"Go back to 2000 spending levels"

Inflation? What's the difference in the dollar between now and 2000? Difference in population? Not to mention that they are already in massive debt. What wasteful programs should they lose?

As said, you are ridiculously idealistic.
 
Gold was $277.15 on August 17, 2000. That means that we've had 544% inflation since then

You really are incredibly good at supporting the points of those you are arguing against... perhaps because yet again you didn't understand the point I was making.

The spending levels of 2000 will not go anywhere near as far now as they did then.
 
They could go back to 2000 spending levels and remove income tax, income tax is not the only revenue. Lose wasteful programs.

There is lots of different ways.

in 4 years?


Without completely ****ing everything up to the point it becomes impossible?

good luck with that.
 
You really are incredibly good at supporting the points of those you are arguing against... perhaps because yet again you didn't understand the point I was making.

The spending levels of 2000 will not go anywhere near as far now as they did then.

Inflation is the creation of money. It means the inflation of the money supply. When you increase the supply of anything, the value goes down. That is dollar devaluation. Those devalued dollars then purchase less. Therefore, it takes more dollars to purchase the same goods, which is price inflation. Price inflation is the result of monetary inflation.

Have a read here:

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf
 
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Inflation is the creation of money. It means the inflation of the money supply. When you increase the supply of anything, the value goes down. That is dollar devaluation. Those devalued dollars then purchase less. Therefore, it takes more dollars to purchase the same goods, which is price inflation. Price inflation is the result of monetary inflation.

Thank you for explaining inflation.

Now, with the current price of things, how can the US go back to spending the same amount as they did in 2000? Considering you are mixing values from 11 years apart which are at very different levels of inflation.

e.g. (entirely fictional numbers but the principle is the same):

2000:
Income tax: $3 million
Other income: $4 million
Spending: $8 million
Balance: -$1 million

2011:
Income tax: $12 million
Other income: $16 million
Spending: $32 million
Balance: -$4 million

Your proposal:
Income tax: Abolished
Other income: $16 million
Spending: Reduced to $8 million
Balance: +$8 million

See the problem yet?

Or, referring to your source, are you just picking 1 of the 4 years in the last 50 which have reduced the national debt and decided DERP DERP LET'S DO THAT AGAIN PLS.
 
Thank you for explaining inflation.

Now, with the current price of things, how can the US go back to spending the same amount as they did in 2000? Considering you are mixing values from 11 years apart which are at very different levels of inflation.

e.g. (entirely fictional numbers but the principle is the same):

2000:
Income tax: $3 million
Other income: $4 million
Spending: $8 million
Balance: -$1 million

2011:
Income tax: $12 million
Other income: $16 million
Spending: $32 million
Balance: -$4 million

Your proposal:
Income tax: Abolished
Other income: $16 million
Spending: Reduced to $8 million
Balance: +$8 million

See the problem yet?

Or, referring to your source, are you just picking 1 of the 4 years in the last 50 which have reduced the national debt and decided DERP DERP LET'S DO THAT AGAIN PLS.

The budget does increase from 2000 to 2007. But gold went from 272.65 to 836.50 from the end of 2000 to the end of 2007. So we had inflation. If you look at how many ounces of gold it would take to pay for the federal budget in 2000, it was 6,562,259,307. If you look at the number of ounces required to pay for the budget in 2007, it was 3,262,283,323. That means, it took less gold in 2007 than in 2000.

Gold retained its value while the dollar declined in value. This is why a gold standard is so important.
 
Ron Paul is a qualified Dr who doesn't believe in evolution - he's a moron, and so is his son, Rand.

EDIT: Having said that, him being elected would be good for the rest of the world, as he would keep America's nose out of things that don't concern it, but that's also why he is unelectable.

Oh, and:
He has already been voted on CCN and Fox Polls higher then all other candidates, including Obama.

Source?
 
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Why is it every Ron Paul supporter have to populate every thread with youtube videos and bumf about how no one listens to him and he is the mesiah? It happened in 2008, i'll put money on it happening again next year too. He will go no where.
 
Ok, so without a capitalist market, who is going to develop this technology?

It is capitalism that drives our research, services and products. If I work for half my life to produce something and I'm not going to get any reward for it, then I'm not going to do it, am I?

Actually most of the big tech advances have come from state spending, e.g. computers.
 
They could go back to 2000 spending levels and remove income tax, income tax is not the only revenue. Lose wasteful programs.

There is lots of different ways.

Yes the problem with that is what the government has done, same thing Labour has done over here.

Programs, and the overblown IRS, are wasteful because governments needed more jobs. So if every dollar you save in reducing IRS waste, is a dollar you spend on the new unemployed person you made by getting rid of their wasteful job on the IRS.

You're moving around where that dollar is spent, not stopping the dollar being spent.

We(us/uk, and many other western countries) have been hiding reducing job numbers for decades doing this, if you suddenly remove all the jobs, we won't stop the spending. Thats why the Torys have worked insanely hard to cut spending without losing jobs, and why they've only cut 6billion from a 160billion deficit. We've been left in a situation where cutting the 100billion we need, and we absolutely can do, in jobs that simply aren't required. Simple tax, less paperwork in the NHS, police, social, etc, etc, way less jobs, but way more unemployment.

The world economy is a joke, if we borrow 100billion to pay for jobs we've made up, woo, if we put them all on the dole and increase unemployed by 5 million, everyone suddenly see's the country as in crisis, despite being in exactly the same situation basically. All a complete joke, Ron Paul has no plan to increase jobs, just increase unemployment. What the US/uk need to do is move people from wasteful IRS jobs into required, tax generating(not paid from tax) jobs, he has no plan to do this, at all.

Every one of his plans are great, stop wasting everywhere, none of his plans will actually cut spending, increase unemployment and utterly devestate the economy.

He is saying what needs to be said, people need to realise the current economy/system is not working, worldwide.

It all boils down to one very simple thing, and its not even stupid cheap labour in the east and lost jobs.

Increasing world population of people who need jobs, decreasing number of jobs needed = uh oh.

Its as simple as the fact that it used to take 100 people a few weeks to build the first cars, then it took 50 people a week per car, now a plant mostly filled with robots and a half dozen people can build 100 cars a day.

The world simply can't sustain the amount of jobs, time and workload we used to. To a certain degree it is better to pay people to waste their time in pointless jobs, a factor in the riots was simply a lot of bored people with nothing else to do, no job to go to and living off handouts. More people on benefits doing nothing rather than working in an office even if their job is pointless, gives people something to do.
 
He is a strange guy that he speaks so much economic sense, as in the 2008 election yet he has such scary religious views. Hard to know what to think of him.
 
[QUOTE='[FnG]I'm not going to get in to this with you because it's clear you have a huge hard on for the guy so good luck with that.[/QUOTE]

This pretty much Sums it up for me..

Go live in the USA.
 
Tbf I'd rather Ron Paul got the nomination than Gingrich who has bad-idea diarrhea.

That said it's all rather moot, either Romney gets the nomination and Obama probably wins a close-fought victory or one of the others gets the nomination and Obama wins by a landslide.
 
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