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But it's not just a sport, it's a business and has been since the inception of the sport when manufacturers started to use it as a way to sell cars.

Throughout F1's history you've had small and medium-sized independent teams who were running on customer engines just trying to keep up (and very occasionally winning) and you had big manufacturers like Alfa, Ferrari, Maserati and Mercedes who were bringing their own engines and massive budgets to the table.

There are few exceptions to this rule over the past 70 years - from the top of my head the only lasting success from a non-works engine deal in the entire history of the sport was due brilliance of Cosworth, the legendary Ford DFV (which was made available to all and sundry).

Actually looking at the list, other than the ubiquitous DFV, the only customer engines which powered a customer to title success are the Coventry-Climax (Cooper (1959, 60) and Lotus (63)) and the Mercedes in the Brawn (2009) - every other single driver winning a title had a works engine behind (or in front of) them.
 
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But it's not just a sport, it's a business and has been since the inception of the sport when manufacturers started to use it as a way to sell cars.

Throughout F1's history you've had small and medium-sized independent teams who were running on customer engines just trying to keep up (and very occasionally winning) and you had big manufacturers like Alfa, Ferrari, Maserati and Mercedes who were bringing their own engines and massive budgets to the table.

There are few exceptions to this rule over the past 70 years - from the top of my head the only lasting success from a non-works engine deal in the entire history of the sport was due brilliance of Cosworth, the legendary Ford DFV (which was made available to all and sundry).

Actually looking at the list, other than the ubiquitous DFV, the only customer engines which powered a customer to title success are the Coventry-Climax (Cooper (1959, 60) and Lotus (63)) and the Mercedes in the Brawn (2009) - every other single driver winning a title had a works engine behind (or in front of) them.

It could be said the Brawn was a Honda in disguise, although some from within brawn said with the Honda engine, which was heavier and down on power compared to the Mercedes, they wouldn't have been so successful.

And people were surprised when Ron Dennis said you can't win a championship with a customer engine.
 
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