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Possible delay to Cayman

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I don't have time to respond with essays, and I have no interest in arguing the toss about rumours, so let me just point out a few things:



1. I never stated in any way that Cayman will be 3 billion transistors. Read, comprehend, post... I said:
"If it's true that it's close to 3Bn transistors, then it will be approaching the size of the Fermi die, but we don't yet know the final transistor count".
Nothing more. This is simply a property of transistor density constraints. Stop putting words in my mouth - what I said is right there for everyone to read.


2. Try to understand the concept of scalability and how it is linked to modularity... This is what drives the revision of GPU design. Of course you could build a more modular GPU with a smaller proportion of control logic, but what the hell would be the point if it can't scale up as well as the previous design?!


3. That Cayman has 3 RPEs which are near-identical to those in Barts is something that I was told by a colleague who has some contact with AMD. It is also hinted at by this AMD slide (the blurred "number of RPEs" looks like it says "3"). A consequence of this is that the ratio of ROPs to SPs is increased, just like it was with Barts. This is logical, since AMDs own testing showed that shifting the balance to ROPs from shaders gave better performance (anandtech). But all this is rumour and we will have to wait and see what the spec of the final design is.


4. By your own speculation, Cayman will have 1536 shaders (less than Cypress), and yet will have a larger number of transisors. Less shaders, more transistors... So, by your own speculation, the ratio of transistors used in control logic to those used for shaders will increase... Which is precisely the point I was making in post 14! :confused:



Look, you are clearly very sensitive about all this stuff, but if you want further discussion on this topic then please make short, concise and precise points, instead of meandering back and forth. I don't have time to read a series of 2000 word essays, and I certainly don't have the time to respond in kind. Yesterday I had a half hour of spare downtime which I spent trying to explain the concept of how modularity relates to scalability, but unfortunately that is not the norm for me these days.
 
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any more articles regarding release proposals yet? i cant seem to find any while looking through google search.
 
Seems to still be on track, The 6990 seems to have slipped though.

From here

“Antilles”
Market: Discrete GPUs
What is it? AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 Series graphics card for ultra-enthusiasts that will feature two GPUs on one board.
Planned for introduction: Q1 2011

“Cayman”
Market: Discrete GPUs
What is it? Second-generation DirectX® 11-capable GPU to launch in the “Northern Islands” family, will be branded AMD Radeon™ HD 69XX graphics processors.
Planned for introduction: Q4 2010
 
I do not agree, Lets be honest ATI are in a position they have not been in for a while. As in they had the 5 series against no competition, and ATI are not the second coming they are here to make money, so if there marketing department had something to shout about, we would have surely heard something, even if it was just a little teaser.

By this i am not saying the new cards are going to be bad, i am just starting to think maybe they are not going to beat Nvidias offering by much if at all(Single GPU of course).

But that is just my thinking and i could be a million miles off!
 
I do not agree, Lets be honest ATI are in a position they have not been in for a while. As in they had the 5 series against no competition, and ATI are not the second coming they are here to make money, so if there marketing department had something to shout about, we would have surely heard something, even if it was just a little teaser.

By this i am not saying the new cards are going to be bad, i am just starting to think maybe they are not going to beat Nvidias offering by much if at all(Single GPU of course).

But that is just my thinking and i could be a million miles off!

Well you have not been following the trend because AMD/ATI have been very tight lipped with new cards since the 4xxx series & being constant about that fact will keep everyone guessing every time no matter how good or bad the outcome..
 
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I do not agree, Lets be honest ATI are in a position they have not been in for a while. As in they had the 5 series against no competition, and ATI are not the second coming they are here to make money, so if there marketing department had something to shout about, we would have surely heard something, even if it was just a little teaser.

By this i am not saying the new cards are going to be bad, i am just starting to think maybe they are not going to beat Nvidias offering by much if at all(Single GPU of course).

But that is just my thinking and i could be a million miles off!

AMD don't so spoilers or teasers on competitor launchers, that is more Nvidia's style, the most I've seen AMD do is release new drivers to co-inside with a launch.
 
Well you have not been following the trend because AMD/ATI have been very tight lipped with new cards since the 4xxx series & being constant about that fact will keep everyone guessing every time no matter how good or bad the outcome..

They have not been in this position though have they, maybe you do not see i am saying in that case. While you maybe right about previous itterations that does not mean that the future will be the same. It all depends on the present situation i would have thought.

As i said the 5 series came to no competition from Nvidia, the high end 6 series is coming out just after the Nvidia refresh. So there is a time scale when they could be loosing sales to Nvidia, but if they just gave a teaser they could retain some future sales.

All in all it is quite interesting!
 
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