Possible to live without money?

Vampyre said:
The tax issue is going to be a thorny one, even if you were growing/making enough to sell to pay for council tax etc you'd probably then fall foul of income tax regulations. If you make your own fuel you can be done for fuel tax evasion (which is, in my opinion, ridiculous).

Unless of course you can convince the Inland Revenue to accept carrots or rabbit skin hats as payment...
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What?

If your income is barely enough to pay the council tax and buy new socks you aren't going to be paying any tax, just fill out a self-assesment each year and post it off / drop into a tax office.

Since when was it illegal to make your own fuel? You can collect logs with the land owners permission and twigs on common land, no tax implications at all. If you're talking about bio-diesel, which is beyond the scope of a small holder I think, you can even do that - so long as you tell them how much you make.
 
It's perfectly possible. Lots of people do it or something close (annual turnover just a few grand). The problem is that it can only be a tiny fraction of society that does it. The health, security, transport etc etc - national infrastructure is paid for out of the monitised and therefore taxed economy. If a significant number of people opt out of that, it's game over for the nation state.

This is the situation in much of sub-Saharan Africa. The 'black' economy is the majority economy, so the state has no revenue.
 
Radiation said:
Is it possible to live without money while still maintaining a decent standard of living?

Can i find a bit of land, build my own house, produce my own food, water and power while making stuff i own last longer, all through knowledge and a little work, to live a good but low consumption lifestyle while never paying a penny in tax again?

There are many benefits to society but surely its my choice to not only live without the system but use the advances from it and be free of it's negatives, after all i could say all i know is that im another life form living on earth, why should i subscribe to the will of another as long as i do not affect anothers freedoms, no person or group can lay claim to ever square inch of land on earth nor can they dictate how or where i travel?
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Possibly but when you're dying after your broken leg/ankle/bad cut/poisioning goes untreated you'll quickly be clamouring for society to pay thousands to sort you out.
 
Telescopi said:
Since when was it illegal to make your own fuel? You can collect logs with the land owners permission and twigs on common land, no tax implications at all. If you're talking about bio-diesel, which is beyond the scope of a small holder I think, you can even do that - so long as you tell them how much you make.
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Making biodiesel is easy for any person, given a little thought and effort. Certainly by no means out of reach of a smallholder. :) You also no longer need to register with HMRC, nor do you need to declare your production and usage, provided that it's for personal use and your usage doesn't exceed 2,500 litres on a rolling annual basis. You simply need to keep a log of litres produced for your own records.

I think the best most of us can expect in this day and age is to become semi self-sufficient. That's still no bad thing though.
 
Tefal said:
Possibly but when you're dying after your broken leg/ankle/bad cut/poisioning goes untreated you'll quickly be clamouring for society to pay thousands to sort you out.
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I don't get a refund on my tax bill when, yet again, I've not used any health services what so ever.

That's just how it works. If somebody wants to get by without earning a lot of money they don't have a lot of money to put into the tax pot, is it right that everyone should maximise their earning potential for the good of the treasury?
 
Rainmaker said:
Making biodiesel is easy for any person, given a little thought and effort. Certainly by no means out of reach of a smallholder. :) You also no longer need to register with HMRC, nor do you need to declare your production and usage, provided that it's for personal use and your usage doesn't exceed 2,500 litres on a rolling annual basis. You simply need to keep a log of litres produced for your own records.

I think the best most of us can expect in this day and age is to become semi self-sufficient. That's still no bad thing though.
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Depends what your starting from, if your coming from a field and some seeds it's probably a bit of an ask.
 
Telescopi said:
Depends what your starting from, if your coming from a field and some seeds it's probably a bit of an ask.
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True. But I read the OP as becoming self-sufficient rather than starting out that way carte blanche somehow. In that case there'd be hella amounts of planning to do before you made the switch, which could include procuring a few barrels for fuel production. :D
 
Telescopi said:
I don't get a refund on my tax bill when, yet again, I've not used any health services what so ever.

That's just how it works. If somebody wants to get by without earning a lot of money they don't have a lot of money to put into the tax pot, is it right that everyone should maximise their earning potential for the good of the treasury?
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i was going on his
to live a good but low consumption lifestyle while never paying a penny in tax again?
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It's all good and low comsumption till it's a choice between your good natural lifestyle and an early death or the big nasty chemical companies pills produced at the expense of the desperate in devloping countries if it buys you another few years.
 
It would require exceptional skill, skill that isnt generally something the average person who decides to ask an internet computer forum whether he can buy land, build a house on it and live without paying a penny and actually genuinelly doesnt know the answer wont have.

Harsh but fair I think.
 
It's definitely possible and something I thought about while on holiday in Spain. If you're going to live like that may as well do it somewhere warm, where you can have a constant supply of exotic fruits.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Apart from council tax. Certainly possible.
Depending what you want depends initial outlay.

Plenty of things you can do to make a bit of money on the side.
As for things like power, water, sewage. That really isn't a problem at all.

Just like that bloke on Grand design who built a house in a forest and made charcoal and sold it to get enough cash to buy essential stuff when he needed it.
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He didn't just make enough charcoal to buy essential stuff, his job was to make the charcoal, which is why he built the house. It was his full time job for which he was paid.
 
Just thought of something. If you're registered as a student you don't pay council tax. Plenty of free evening courses out there. Hopefully I have found you your tax loophole ;)
 
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