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Nasher · 16 Jul 2019 at 16:39

"People keep buying expensive, terrible, boring cars, so we need something Boring too!"...is probably the contents of the meeting which decided it

The concepts looks like an Evora that's had to many pies.

Akagi · 16 Jul 2019 at 18:37

Oh for the love of God not Lotus...

BananaDunka · 16 Jul 2019 at 18:39

Lotarse.

Diddums · 16 Jul 2019 at 20:44

Dunno why @Ezah's image isn't loading for me, but in case it isn't for anyone else, here's a rehosted one:

Sargatanas2511 · 16 Jul 2019 at 22:10

I have never, and will never understand the SUV 'revolution'. They all look basically the same (which is not a compliment), are pretty much always too expensive and offer little that a proper car doesn't while giving worse fuel efficiency in an environment of trying to be more 'green'.

They just make no sense to me.

Diddums · 16 Jul 2019 at 22:13

Sargatanas2511 said:
I have never, and will never understand the SUV 'revolution'. They all look basically the same (which is not a compliment), are pretty much always too expensive and offer little that a proper car doesn't while giving worse fuel efficiency in an environment of trying to be more 'green'.

They just make no sense to me.

It's the feeling of lording it over everyone else, see the Chelsea Tractor phenomenon for example. The problem is that eventually everyone will be in an SUV, then what? Donks? Monster trucks?

Sargatanas2511 · 16 Jul 2019 at 22:19

Diddums said:
It's the feeling of lording it over everyone else, see the Chelsea Tractor phenomenon for example. The problem is that eventually everyone will be in an SUV, then what? Donks? Monster trucks?

See I can get that for a small minority of people who feel the need to do that, but they are way too common. Surely driving a Kia Sportage is really not to lord it over others?

rebel rebel · 17 Jul 2019 at 00:25

Aren't SUV's perceived as safer than ordinary cars, and so people get them when they have families?

theone8181 · 17 Jul 2019 at 06:53

rebel rebel said:
Aren't SUV's perceived as safer than ordinary cars, and so people get them when they have families?

Apart from when they have to swerve and that higher centre of gravity kicks in

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Ezah · 17 Jul 2019 at 06:58

theone8181 said:
Apart from when they have to swerve and that higher centre of gravity kicks in.

Maybe thats the problem Lotus are going to solve?

More likely, Geely just want a more a lotus product which is going to sell more units.

Nasher · 17 Jul 2019 at 08:10

rebel rebel said:
Aren't SUV's perceived as safer than ordinary cars, and so people get them when they have families?

I think that missconception is part of it. But a lot seem to end up on their roof in collisions, even low speed ones. Which is exactly the sort of crash you dont want.

Infact didnt Prince Phillip put a LR on its roof recently, in a side on impact?

Simon · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:20

Only because they drive over little cars.

Safety is probably low down compared to ease of access, head room, storage space and general comfort of the more upright driving position.

They are popular for many reasons and an OEM would be crazy to ignore this market driven demand of new cars.

vanpeebles · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:22

Nasher said:
I think that missconception is part of it. But a lot seem to end up on their roof in collisions, even low speed ones. Which is exactly the sort of crash you dont want.

Infact didnt Prince Phillip put a LR on its roof recently, in a side on impact?

To be fair, he got t-boned at speed, and survived with barely a scratch, it was a good advert for Freelander 2's.

Dis86 · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:26

rebel rebel said:
Aren't SUV's perceived as safer than ordinary cars, and so people get them when they have families?

They're safer in crashes vs smaller cars but generally less safe in crashes with other large vehicles. So the safety factor decreases when everyone owns one.

Simon · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:27

Indeed. How nasher thinks it was on its roof I have no idea. I mean it’s not like he’s saying it tipped over onto its side, but upside down?

In any case I’d rather be tipped over by a car going under me than have a car T bone me in the rib cage.

Dis86 · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:27

Simon said:
Only because they drive over little cars.

Safety is probably low down compared to ease of access, head room, storage space and general comfort of the more upright driving position.

They are popular for many reasons and an OEM would be crazy to ignore this market driven demand of new cars.

Except they're still outsold by small hatches. How many small hatchbacks do Lotus make?

snips86x · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:28

Dis86 said:
Except they're still outsold by small hatches. How many small hatchbacks do Lotus make?

Really tiny ones to get into the boot compartment...

Simon · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:29

Dis86 said:
Except they're still outsold by small hatches. How many small hatchbacks do Lotus make?

Europe has 30% of new car sales as SUVs. These tend to have a much bigger margin than Hatches too

Where are you getting hot hatches? Do you mean hatchbacks ?

Dis86 · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:30

Simon said:
Europe has 30% of new car sales as SUVs. These tend to have a much bigger margin than Hatches too

Where are you getting hot hatches? Do you mean hatchbacks ?

Where'd I say hot hatches?

Simon · 17 Jul 2019 at 09:55

Dunno I think I imagined it