Powerful Speech by an American Soldier on the Iraq War.

They shouldn't have started it and on another note.... He signed up to be a solider and knew what he was getting himself into. Sorry to say this but it's the truth.
 
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buckeejit said:
They shouldn't have started it and on another note.... He signed up to be a solider and knew what he was getting himself into. Sorry to say this but it's the truth.
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Yup, he gets paid to do as others command, usually involving killing people. He doesn't get paid to think however. He knew that when he wrote his name on the fabled dotted line just as everyone else did!
 
OP, you often get lambasted on here for some of your postings, but thanks for posting that, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise!

James J, yes they sign up on the dotted line but just because they do that and are trained to not think doesn't make them automatons, they are still people with thoughts and feelings.

They sign up, listen to the doctrine and (on the most part) think they are going over to 'do good'...clearly that chaps belief was shaken to the ground by what he saw and what he did, clearly coming to think of himself as a terrorist rather than a good guy going to get the terrorists...

It's all just depressingly sad.

Thanks again OP, thought provoking stuff.
 
haven't finished the video yet, but everything being said seems pretty obvious, espeically the part about how leaders can only lead because of their ability to get others to do as they say. well duh! i don't beleive we can simply walk out of afgan and wherever we are at war righrt now and it'll be stopped. i understand trying to find a solution so we can stop, but isn't this happening?

ok i have finished now and i think i missed the shock factor point of that video so it didin't do anything for me :(
 
thanks for posting that OP.

some people tried to get out of what they did during the holocaust and you would condemn them, this guy who feels true remorse for what he did is criticised for 'knowing what he was going in to' and whinging for doing what he was commanded.

can't win with you lot.
 
RDM said:
Why? As far as I am aware you had absolutely nothing to do with ordering troops in to Iraq. Did you vote labour? Did you vote labour after they had invaded Iraq?
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perhaps he feels shame at being a human being and what we can do to other human beings presumably just because we are told to.
 
vincent1989 said:
perhaps he feels shame at being a human being and what we can do to other human beings presumably just because we are told to.
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In which case there are considerably worse things that you can be ashamed of just by being human. You would be in a perpetual state of guilt over things you have absolutely zero control over. You would have to be seven kinds of strange to think the Iraq war is the worst thing people do.
 
RDM said:
Why? As far as I am aware you had absolutely nothing to do with ordering troops in to Iraq. Did you vote labour? Did you vote labour after they had invaded Iraq?
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I feel ashamed that we voted people into power to do such things.

I feel ashamed that people have the ability to do them things.

I feel ashamed that i have no personal influence to stop the people giving the orders.

I also feel ashamed because now i've been labeled for something i did not agree to, did not want to be part of and had no desire to get involved in.
 
Why is Obama up in that Video along with Bush....as if he was the one who sent them in the first place?
 
cu3ed said:
Why is Obama up in that Video along with Bush....as if he was the one who sent them in the first place?
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Status quo. Obama is essentially on the same page as he wants to send more troops to Afghanistan, and is repeating the same mistakes as his predecessor.
 
Stupid video. He says they sent them to war, the rich that is, to make them richer but then a minute later he says America can gain nothing from the war?

Also he sounds like a socialist and someone who cant handle life - maybe he is too scared to fight the system and go to the top so just tries to turn people against it. Sure its easy to pick flaws in capitalism and sending troops to war, but its easier to pick holes in the other strategies.

'We can stop this war we can change this government and we can create a better world'

Yea, good luck with that. Go try and convince China/Russia/NK/Iran etc. to give up arms and spend more on social policies.

Hardly an 'AMAZING SPEECH' its all been said before.
 
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Idealistic mumbo-jumbo from someone who doesn't understand the necessary 'evils' in the world which keep countries running.
Didn't think it was particularly powerful nor moving.
Slambo sums it up well.
 
Teki187 said:
I feel ashamed that we voted people into power to do such things.

I feel ashamed that people have the ability to do them things.

I feel ashamed that i have no personal influence to stop the people giving the orders.

I also feel ashamed because now i've been labeled for something i did not agree to, did not want to be part of and had no desire to get involved in.
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Again, why? Why do you feel ashamed for the actions of others you have pretty much no control over? As far as "the ability to do them things" then you have bigger problems than the Iraq war considering what else humanity has done.

Why the personal guilt over something you didn't do?
 
"JUST GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!"

Bleh, I've had more interesting bowel movement, no really this one time I wa....never mind.
 
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Nothing powerful about it. it's a load of misshmashed rubbish. yes of course soldiers fight the bloody war and politicians have to sale it..
 
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