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PPU more then 100% faster then CPU in UT3 benchmark here.

Pottsey said:
“http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/07...ed_ppu_cards/1
Sure i've seen Gabe say similar, so thats 2 of the head gaming honchos that develop engines many other developers use against PPU...”
We where talking about the Ageia PhysX API. Not the PPU. He comments about the PPU don’t apply to our argument about developers and the API.

I never said developers like the PPU. I said they like the API.
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Do they though? How can you back up that statement? There are so few games available that use the PhysX API, and even fewer that are actually worth playing. I can only think of UT3 to be honest, and even then PhysX doesn't really enhance the game much.

You need to start backing up these claims or no one is going to take you seriously, not that anyone does anyway. If you're going to say the PhysX API is popular, you need to back it up with evidence, not just your own words.
 
Pottsey said:
I never said developers like the PPU. I said they like the API.
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Just as you do to everyone else matey...

Link please? :)

I've seen two...if not three people say the Physx ppu is worthwhile in current games...Every other person however doesn't like it.

Personally, as i've said before, but you never replied to it, the PPU 'Could' be worthwhile...But they just aren't implementing it enough, and making full use of it. Instead they're making pointless levels, that are DESIGNED for they're own god damn PhysX card, only to find out they run like someone who has no feet.

Potsey:Average FPS with PPU 26.1 - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=491&type=expert&pid=3
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That's appauling...that, is a map THEY have designed to work with they're hardware and API...It's pathetic, yes when you don't have the card installed on that map its GOING to run worse you numpty, cause it isn't designed for people without the card!!! Christ.

If you could use the card, on almost any game, so that it takes all of the physics load off of a cpu/gpu, only then will the card have use.

But I don't see that happening, cause that would be logical, and probably give them better sales.
 
”There are so few games available that use the PhysX API, and even fewer that are actually worth playing. I can only think of UT3 to be honest, and even then PhysX doesn't really enhance the game much.”
There are 100’s of games most don’t announced what physics they use so you can use Physx and never know. Its very common in none PC games as well the PS3 has it as part of the default SDK sent out to all developers. Its in all sorts from Gears of War to Rise of Nations.




“Do they though? How can you back up that statement?”
With difficulty. If it weren’t popular there wouldn’t be 100’s of games that use it. If it wasn’t popular the trade stand would be empty at all the shows.

Fair enough you want links, I will see what I can dig up. Give me a few days and if I don’t post anything send me a reminder.



“If you're going to say the PhysX API is popular, you need to back it up with evidence, not just your own words.”
So all the links I have posted in the past showing 100’s of games don’t count?
 
"I've a good mind to report Pottsey as a viral marketer for Ageia to be honest"
Well if you actually read what I was writing you would notice I said the bonus maps are a waste of time and I never said the PPU is needed for UT3 and for sure never said anyone should buy one recently. Thats not a viral marketer.

But some of you guys just don’t like to read and instead have a go at me. Report me if you like, but I am doing nothing wrong. All I did was pointed out the mistakes some people made when they said the PPU lowers FPS.
 
Pottsey said:
"I've a good mind to report Pottsey as a viral marketer for Ageia to be honest"
Well if you actually read what I was writing you would notice I said the bonus maps are a waste of time and the PPU Is not needed for UT3. Thats not a viral marketer.

But some of you guys just don’t like to read and instead have a go at me. Report me if you like, but I am doing nothing wrong. All I did was pointed out the mistakes some people made when they said the PPU lowers FPS.
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You have consistently gone on about the subject of PPUs, while trying to go under the guise of a neutral non-biased observer. It's not washing with me. Keep harping on about it, I -will- press that RTM button.
 
You’re being far too harsh.
I don’t spam, I don’t post in none physic threads about PPU’s and I don’t make up tons of threads each month. I only post new threads when I have something new to talk about and that’s about 1 a month. I don’t see how I am doing anything wrong. Others clearly like talking about PPU’s and as long as its not being spammed over lots of threads what’s the problem?
 
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Hes hardly spamming... imo people are being too harsh.

At the end of the day, the ppu may increase FPS...but in UT3, why would we bother spending £88 on a game most of us get 60+fps on anyway? It really isnt worth the effects.

I downloaded that Warmonger 'game'... played the tutorial... i didnt ONCE get told controls, didnt once get told anything at all except "Destroy these wooden barriers and watch how they break apart"....not as good as in crysis imo. Argue with me all you want on this; but that is a tech demo in the guise of a game.

Two Worlds uses the PhysX API and doesnt benefit from it, at all, the physics in that game are bad, Oblivion has better physics.

As others have said, HL2 and Max Payne 2 etc have awesome physics and dont require you to shell out extra money just to make it go up like...8 - 12 fps.

Also Pottsey, about the multiplayer earlier, i dont think you understood. Create a server yourself and lock it so nobody else can join, that way you can bench without anyone/thing else in there cept you and the level, and you can set your own path up and do it a few times. Maybe a timedemo would be better but tbh i dont think anyone is up for doing one lol
 
Greenboi said:
Hes hardly spamming... imo people are being too harsh.
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'Pottsey bashing' seems to be something of a sport amongst the self-styled in-crowd of these forums. He's never abusive and always backs up his claims; the same can't be said of the people who flood into PPU threads to decry him.

And for the record I don't have a PPU, nor any plans to buy one.
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
'Fanboy bashing' seems to be something of a sport amongst the self-styled in-crowd of these forums.
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Fixed. Don't pretend this only happens to Pottsey, because any fanboy that makes themselves as big a target as he does will be treated as such regardless of who they are or what brand they cheerlead.
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
'Pottsey bashing' seems to be something of a sport amongst the self-styled in-crowd of these forums. He's never abusive and always backs up his claims; the same can't be said of the people who flood into PPU threads to decry him.

And for the record I don't have a PPU, nor any plans to buy one.
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No he gets it on other forums too; he’s infamous on the internets for his physx loving. ;)
 
”Pottsey, because any fanboy that makes themselves as big a target as he does will be treated as such regardless of who they are or what brand they cheerlead.”
But I am not really a fanboy. I don’t think the product is perfect, I often say how bad some of it is and I don’t spam all over the place making stuff up. Take this thread I pointed out some of the facts are wrong and some of you jumped on me thinking I was trying to sell the product and make it sound like everyone should get one.

Also you said I am contradicting my self more then once. Please show me where, so I can correct my mistakes.
 
Pottsey said:
”Pottsey, because any fanboy that makes themselves as big a target as he does will be treated as such regardless of who they are or what brand they cheerlead.”
But I am not really a fanboy. I don’t think the product is perfect, I often say how bad some of it is and I don’t spam all over the place making stuff up. Take this thread I pointed out some of the facts are wrong and some of you jumped on me thinking I was trying to sell the product and make it sound like everyone should get one.

Also you said I am contradicting my self more then once. Please show me where, so I can correct my mistakes.
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You ARE a fanboy. Only you, for example, could come to the conclusion that "PPU more then 100% faster then CPU in UT3" when clearly it's not. Sure it is faster on the PPU maps, but its STILL not playable, so what is the point? On normal maps it makes next to no noticeable difference, so what is the point?

It even used to say you were a fanboy in your sig :p
 
“"PPU more then 100% faster then CPU in UT3" when clearly it's not.”
26.1 v 12.1 clearly is a 100% faster. It’s more then playable if you have a quad core. If it was unplayable lots of people wouldn’t be playing and enjoying it on the online server. I dont see how 30fps+ is unplayable.




“On normal maps it makes next to no noticeable difference, so what is the point?”
We have yet to see if that’s true. We need a fair benchmark. Aynway I have been saying for a while the PPU is a luxury item not a must have item. It’s nice to have to boost FPS but you don’t need it for UT. Your better off with it, then without it, but you don’t need it.
 
So we NEED a quad to make the maps playable? I'm sorry Pottsey but you gotta admit the PPU is doomed. You need a quad core and PPU to run a map designed for the hardware, to run at half the speed a duel core and no PPU can run normal maps. Please Pottsey tell us what the hell the PPU is making the CPU do that takes up 2 more corse of cycles AND still is only 30fps?

Imagine how'd they run if they had a nuke or "high physics" cloth






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