Praying to God...

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:43

Brynn said:
knew that was coming, but thought you wouldn't be that fast.

I am not sure why God lets bad things happen, its his plan, not mine. I did a little googling, this is a sermon given about "Why Does the Lord Let Bad Things Happen". Its 6 pages, it might make things clearer.

after reading the link, it seems that mankind is responsible for doing nasty things to themselves and that starving isn't that bad because God might send you to heaven once you die...

pyro · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:44

cleanbluesky said:
Shoelaces can do that. Why would God spend his time paying attention to menial issues. Again, why isn't God helping those that deserve it now?

I don't consider God to be a sadist, but what would be the point of Him helping out when things go wrong? What would the point in life be, if we knew, that when we ****ed up good, He would come and save the day? I work to earn money so I can feed myself, if I am not bothered working then I will starve to death too, you can't exempt people from that.

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:44

Mohinder said:
How do you know God doesn't pay attention to shoelaces too?

Africa is starving and God is busy with shoelaces?

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:45

pyro said:
I don't consider God to be a sadist, but what would be the point of Him helping out when things go wrong? What would the point in life be, if we knew, that when we ****ed up good, He would come and save the day? I work to earn money so I can feed myself, if I am not bothered working then I will starve to death too, you can't exempt people from that.

That's a good question, why WOULD he bother?

PardonTheWait · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:45

cleanbluesky said:
Africa is starving and God is busy with shoelaces?

Maybe shoelaces are the key to Africa's problems being solved.

Maybe a shoelace is the key to the solution.

Who are you to say?

evil.jelly · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:47

You probably got the job because of a combination of your credentials, the impression you made on the interviewers and thew fact you were what they were looking for (or the best of a bad bunch

).

I doubt God had anything to do with it.

ethan · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:48

cleanbluesky said:
I was thinking... suppose I want something. Perhaps, a specific job.
I pray to God.
I get the job.

Does it then follow that me getting that job is more important to God than all the death and starvation around the world?

Can anyone explain this, from a religious perspective?

Unfortunately I pray and I get "faff-all". It doesn't seem to work that way or at all for me as well as all the suffering and starving in the world. :confused:

cleanbluesky · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:49

evil.jelly said:
You probably got the job because of a combination of your credentials, the impression you made on the interviewers and thew fact you were what they were looking for (or the best of a bad bunch ).

I doubt God had anything to do with it.

Yeah, but that's not the Christian mentality. Often the idea is that good things are the work of God.

Bad things can be either blamed on Satan, or individuals who are fooled by satan

ElRazur · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:49

CBS the bottomline is there is no god imo.
can i also add that Talking to god = praying. Hearing god talk/voices = Schizophrenia.

ethan · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:50

cleanbluesky said:
Yeah, but that's not the Christian mentality. Often the idea is that good things are the work of God.

Bad things can be either blamed on Satan, or individuals who are fooled by satan

Only if you are thick :eek:

ethan · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:55

The thing is Praying is like trying to win the lottery. ...as previously said praying gets me nothing and trying 2 win the lottery gets me nothing. Thing is I still do both. I think therfore that praying perhaps just helps you order your thoughts-nothing else.

Squark · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:56

God wants to be involved in our lives, He wants to be with us in everything, the very important and the menial, He loves us and wants us to be with him, He has given us the way and we just have to believe and follow

ElRazur · 15 Apr 2006 at 22:59

Squark said:
God wants to be involved in our lives, He wants to be with us in everything, the very important and the menial, He loves us and wants us to be with him, He has given us the way and we just have to believe and follow

Why does he wanna be involved if he is the author of our destiniy?
He's everywhere apparently so that shouldnt be an issue.
His got strange ways of showing his love.....honestly.
What way? that jesus died on the cross or muhammed is the real last prophet of god?

Which everway i dont believe in none of 'em

atpbx · 15 Apr 2006 at 23:03

He helps those who helps themselves.

The very fact that you applied for the job puts you on the way to getting it.

The very fact that africans (seemingly i'm no expert and dont confess to be) dont appear to do a lot to help themselves, what with the killing each other, breeding children they have no way of feeding, and those that do have the power and money and resources in africa to help spend it on Rolls royces and gold encrusted toilets, puts them on the path of not a lot happening in the God department.

From what i can see anyhow.

Chris1712 · 15 Apr 2006 at 23:05

UH OH, religion thread :eek:

Can open...............worms.....everywhere

dragonflyy · 15 Apr 2006 at 23:06

Chris1712 said:
UH OH, religion thread

Can open...............worms.....everywhere

Yup already everywhere...

ElRazur · 15 Apr 2006 at 23:08

atpbx said:
i'm no expert and dont confess to be.

You got that right, you dont have a clue.

AmaTeX · 16 Apr 2006 at 00:35

Back to the original post, if you believe in a Christian god, maybe you got the job on your own merits? Surly just because of your beliefs you can’t operate autonomously? :confused:

But imho it’s all religions is a load of crap bourn out of mankind’s need for understanding. :rolleyes:

pyro · 16 Apr 2006 at 04:12

AmaTeX said:
Back to the original post, if you believe in a Christian god, maybe you got the job on your own merits? Surly just because of your beliefs you can’t operate autonomously?

But imho it’s all religions is a load of crap bourn out of mankind’s need for understanding.

So do you believe to God but do not follow the way that religion shows the word of God?

ElRazur said:
CBS the bottomline is there is no god imo.
can i also add that Talking to god = praying. Hearing god talk/voices = Schizophrenia.

Because God doesn't make eveyone's life perfect, He does not exist?

And schizos? Says who?

cleanbluesky said:
That's a good question, why WOULD he bother?

Why should he bother? If I feel like getting hold of a weapon and shooting you in the head, is it up to God to stop it? Should it be up to God to stop it? It is, God gave us brains and the determination to become civilised, to some more than others, we use what He gave us to make his will happen, i.e. the police and the laws to detter people from killing, hurting, or stealing from their fellow humans.

Amleto · 16 Apr 2006 at 05:15

cleanbluesky said:
Yeah, but that's not the Christian mentality. Often the idea is that good things are the work of God.

Bad things can be either blamed on Satan, or individuals who are fooled by satan

Every thing 'bad' is due to 'the fall of man'/free will etc. Before this, everything was 'very good' (gen 1:31). Therefore everything that is good, is from god. However, lots of people want things they consider to be good, which are actually bad according god etc.