Prison numbers reach record high

Jasonst888 · 28 Aug 2011 at 07:27

ECrtHR has concerns over how we treat prisoners...not the EU, separate entities with separate treaty foundations.

Agree with making prisoners work however and I agree that it is as much about the work as allowing the public to see prisoners having to work...but if you force them to then you enter into realms of forced (slave) labour which I for one am somewhat uncomfortable with, but again this depends on what benefit it brings, i.e. cleaning graffiti might save the economy the money it would otherwise cost to clean it, but otherwise it makes no one any money and as such I doubt such a system would be open to corruption.

But lets be clear for the vast majority of criminals you would have to go a long way to making prison time a 'deterrent', prisons in the US are a right wings dream and yet they are hardly low on inmates....

semi-pro waster · 28 Aug 2011 at 08:52

stickman1 said:
Some Prison's are private and do pay for themself!! and the inmates do work

The inmates do work 5 days a week for £4 a day which they save and then use to buy what ever they want to keep themselfs occupied.

Are you telling me what does happen or what you think should happen?

Superficial said:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/may2000/pris-m08.shtml

Prison labour works...no pun intended.

Prisoners have been making products and performing services for private companies in the USA for donkeys years. The supervision is carried out by the private company themselves along with the supply of any equipment if requried.

The problem is that, like in America, if you're not careful you could put regular businesses out of action because of the slave labour. they'd have to be put to work performing services that we need that companies do not provide so it's not a danger to jobs...my vote goes to community housing / neighbourhood cleaning (graffti etc).

Worst case scenario you offset some of the costs / best case you turn a profit but, in my opinion, the biggest impact would be in the psyche of the British public whom currently see the prisons system as a layabouts dream and not a deterrent.

Thanks for the links, neither of them present prison labour in a particularly favourable light. In some circumstances it may be said to work but at what cost is the next question? In the first report for instance it highlights that prisoners in the CCA prisons lose their good behaviour status eight times more often than those in state institutions, maybe they're just really strict on discipline and there's nothing untoward about this rate, then again maybe it has something to do with consistency and availability of labour. There are also distinct questions raised in both articles about the profit seeking methods of private companies working in/with/running prisons and the potential for legislators being influenced by the interests of the aforementioned companies - is that a situation we want to emulate?

stickman1 · 9 Sep 2011 at 00:37

semi-pro waster said:
Are you telling me what does happen or what you think should happen?

Yes i am telling you what does happen.

Reaper 392 · 9 Sep 2011 at 00:49

not sure which to go for really:

prison population record high coincides with UK population record high shocker
or
prison population record high just after 1300 arrested in riots shocker

as you can tell i'm very surprised that this even made the news. we've known the prisons have been (nearly) full for ages

^TANK^ · 9 Sep 2011 at 00:58

Maybe our prisons wouldn't be so overwhelmed if they were more like a prison rather than a Butlins holiday park

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Von Smallhausen · 9 Sep 2011 at 01:30

A mate is an SO in the prison service and he has yet to see Playstations in cells or the cushy environment people think it is.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 9 Sep 2011 at 01:41

GAC said:
how about we stop giving the prisoners spence, when i used to work at a high street electrical store we had a local prison come in once a month to pick up items for the prisoners.

on average it was £1500 a month, funny i thought being in prison was ment to be a punishment not a payed holiday camp.

Utter utter BS!

You obviously know nothing about what your talking about and get your 'facts' from the daily fail!

All the idiots talking out their backside about how cushy prison is need to get a frigging clue!
Prison is a horrendous place full of violent thugs and REALLY messed up people who should actually be in a mental institution!

ITV and BBC have done various documentary's about prisons in the U.K one of the most recent being Wormwood scrubs, the place and people in it were truely terrifying and I wouldn't wanna spend one minute there and neither would they if they weren't so dame ignorant!

stickman1 · 9 Sep 2011 at 01:42

Von Smallhausen said:
A mate is an SO in the prison service and he has yet to see Playstations in cells or the cushy environment people think it is.

I am PSO in a private prison and they have them, and flat screen tv's and most have now got card pay phones, personally i think its a joke. no wonder we have repeat offenders, when they know its a home from home

^TANK^ · 9 Sep 2011 at 01:47

Von Smallhausen said:
A mate is an SO in the prison service and he has yet to see Playstations in cells or the cushy environment people think it is.

My step dad was falsely accused of armed robbery many years ago and did a small stretch until he was found innocent. From the horses mouth he reckoned it was a piece of **** once you got adjusted to the amount of time spent in and out of your cell.

steve-h · 9 Sep 2011 at 02:02

^TANK^ said:
Maybe our prisons wouldn't be so overwhelmed if they were more like a prison rather than a Butlins holiday park .

The last thing on my mind when committing crime would be what the prison conditions are like. Besides the idea is meant to be rehabilitation rather than punishment, no?

^TANK^ · 9 Sep 2011 at 02:04

steve-h said:
The last thing on my mind when committing crime would be what the prison conditions are like. Besides the idea is meant to be rehabilitation rather than punishment, no?

Punishment I would hope.

arknor · 9 Sep 2011 at 02:32

^TANK^ said:
Maybe our prisons wouldn't be so overwhelmed if they were more like a prison rather than a Butlins holiday park .

ive got a few old friends on facebook who are blatantly in prison

some nice photos of there cells with gaming console + tv + stereo system :rolleyes:

we should have american style prisons not hotels.....

.Lethal · 9 Sep 2011 at 02:38

Vonhelmet said:
TAX THE RICH.

steve-h · 9 Sep 2011 at 03:11

^TANK^ said:
Punishment I would hope.

I don't think that works past the young ages. How come you would prefer punishment over rehabilitation?

arknor said:
ive got a few old friends on facebook who are blatantly in prison

some nice photos of there cells with gaming console + tv + stereo system

we should have american style prisons not hotels.....

Did you watch that 'Miami Mega Jails' by Louis Theroux and the BBC? Horrible stuff. I wouldn't want that in this country.

Also:

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