A 32bit windows application can ONLY use up to 2G of RAM however much the OS has available unless the 32bit app is PAE aware (which is very rare). This will be the case if the application is run on a 64bit version of windows as well.
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A 32bit windows application can ONLY use up to 2G of RAM however much the OS has available unless the 32bit app is PAE aware (which is very rare). This will be the case if the application is run on a 64bit version of windows as well.
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That was going to be my next question. Thanks. I'm trying to find a difinitive source on this 2gb/3gb thing. I have always been aware of the limitation and know that windows only displays a certain amount, but I can't find and hard and fast information about the interaction of 32-bit Apps with a 64-bit OS.
Yep, 32 bit applications (without PAE) are limited to 2Gb memory.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
that comment i made was serious but ill put it this way, for the amount of money you are spending on a system it would be sacrilege to run it on 32bit, its like buying a ferrari and limiting it to 100mph which is probably enough for most people but then whats the point in buying it and you'll just get anoyyed when some Vauxhall overtakes you . If you want the best for your money budget for 64 bit.
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you will see benefits video encoding and such with 64bit as these are very memory intensive applications.
Otherwise just go with a socket 1156 setup and 4gb ram. As previously said, you will have 3gb wasted if you go for a 6gb i7 setup.
Otherwise just go with a socket 1156 setup and 4gb ram. As previously said, you will have 3gb wasted if you go for a 6gb i7 setup.
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Brilliant, thanks.
Point noted thanks. The Ferrari and the Ariel Atom are both very quick cars, but in very different ways. The first thing I need to figure out is whether the users need something that will do 0-60 as quickly as possible, or whether they need something that will sit at 150mph all day. If they need the Ferrari, then we'll have to figure it out, even if it means doing it a bit at a time. If the Ariel Atom will do what they're after then we can look at moving to Ferraris when the funding allows.
Thanks.
yeh thats a fair point , go ahead with the purchase of that comp as it is a nice offer for a pre-built machine , but straight away i'd be looking into getting a good deal on windows 7 64 bit software . If you have this system with 64bit you wont have any problems with any of the applications you want to run even if you are running 2/3 of them at the same time.
Not sure if any1 else has answered this yet but the warranty will be voided if the CPU is overclocked unless you buy a pre-overclocked machine but they are not worth the money as you wont see a massive performance gain for what you are doing. However if you give them a ring they might be able to sort some sort of overclock out with a warranty since you are gona be spending a nice chunk of money.
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Thanks. I've had a few questions answered here. I think all that remains is to pop a note in the presales forum to sort out the OcUK specific stuff.
Thanks everyone.
If you have a volume license for Windows 7, doesnt that mean you have a valid licence for both the 32bit and 64bit version.. I would check with microsoft. You probably just need a copy of the 64bit media, which I am sure microsoft will sell you, or perhaps even allow you to download.
Just one thing to remember, If your planning to use an overclocked system for business, you need to be absolutely sure that processing errors are not critical. Overclocked systems can be stable, but they can also make small errors.
A game might not crash if a pixel is in the wrong place... but there are plenty of business applications where accuracy is more important... Taking the most obvious example, you wouldnt want to see your bank statement and find that an overclocked computer had moved the decimal place, and you were missing a few thousand quid
And incase anyone says a stable computer is a guarantee it wont be generating errors, I refer you to Pentium 60mhz.. It had a floating point bug, which caused problems, but almost no applications crashed because of it.. they simply gave slightly incorrect results. I once had an overclocked P4 which could run prime for exactly 16.5 hours, and then would give an errored result.. Reduced the overclock by 1mhz! and it primed for 2 days, which was good enough for what I used it for.
But if the end results of a work's PC matter, I would not overclock at all. Of course its doubtfull that an error would crop up in a Powerpoint Presentation that would cause any problems.
I find it highly unlikely that Overclockers warrenty damages to business/reputation caused by processing errors from an overclocked CPU
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IMHO Overclocking should remain as entertainment and challenges for enthusiasts, not for everyday business use. But whatever you decide, have fun with the machines
Just one thing to remember, If your planning to use an overclocked system for business, you need to be absolutely sure that processing errors are not critical. Overclocked systems can be stable, but they can also make small errors.
A game might not crash if a pixel is in the wrong place... but there are plenty of business applications where accuracy is more important... Taking the most obvious example, you wouldnt want to see your bank statement and find that an overclocked computer had moved the decimal place, and you were missing a few thousand quid
And incase anyone says a stable computer is a guarantee it wont be generating errors, I refer you to Pentium 60mhz.. It had a floating point bug, which caused problems, but almost no applications crashed because of it.. they simply gave slightly incorrect results. I once had an overclocked P4 which could run prime for exactly 16.5 hours, and then would give an errored result.. Reduced the overclock by 1mhz! and it primed for 2 days, which was good enough for what I used it for.
But if the end results of a work's PC matter, I would not overclock at all. Of course its doubtfull that an error would crop up in a Powerpoint Presentation that would cause any problems
.I find it highly unlikely that Overclockers warrenty damages to business/reputation caused by processing errors from an overclocked CPU
.IMHO Overclocking should remain as entertainment and challenges for enthusiasts, not for everyday business use. But whatever you decide, have fun with the machines