Professional snaggers

I bought a David Wilson Home ~3.5 years ago, found 2 A4 pages of snags on my own. Probably a page of which never got sorted (balancing new build purchase with wedding planning was a bad idea in hindsight)

Now for some reason buying another new build - this time from Morris homes, seems better ironically than the DWH but seriously contemplating getting a professional snagging company in. Completing late April for me. Yes you don't get much garden with new builds but house layouts are so much better than more traditional homes.

That's the thing. It's all weighing up the pros and cons. The pros are definately bigger second/third/fourth bedrooms, en-suites, more electrical outlets etc etc at the cost of small gardens, lack of storage space etc etc
 
I bought a 1960s 3 bed semi back in 2011... Build was solid, garden space (front and rear) was amazing. It's been rented for the last 4 years, I've had less issues with that property than my sister who bought a new build 2 bed maisonette (she owned that place for less than 3 years). Just goes to show that these housing companies are more concerned with quantity over quality!
 
Purchased new in 2011 and snagged everything myself within the 2 year period, though did have a few issues which reoccured outside of this that were remedied. By all means I did not feel that the volume or issues themselves were a cause for concern or indicative of anything more sinister but YMMV depending on builder. (Creaky stair, tiling standard, decorative issues, CH balancing/valves etc)

Last weekend (8 years later) I noticed the soffit around my bay window hasn't been sealed, small job £6 and 10 minutes work but is something I expect a professional snagger would spot. And I did have my drive re-tarmac'd around 5 years in due a poor first lay. The builders did also tell me their was drainage within the side sloping toward the house, (I know it should slope away towards my neighbours :p) of course there was not, so I had them install a proper drainage channel to feed in to the guttering downpipes :o

Even with a good eye for detail it's very easy to miss things being swept up in the joy (and stress) of a new home.

I think it is naive of people to think that even employing a local builder or well established & renowned housebuilder will rid you of the need to snag in its entirety but I can accept a higher level on inherent assurance of adherence and quality.

I'd probably knock on a few doors and ask for residents opinions that have already completed or been living there a while?

It is a small price to pay to save potentially a lot of aggravation. A colleagues recent build was missing significant insulation rendering them with a house that was almost uninhabitable, worsening their daughters asthma. Not to mention large gas bills to reclaim, the disruption from remedial works, inconvenience of having to be around to facilitate surveys (and waiting for the correct weather) and resenting the building itself. IMO even the upper end of your quote is worth avoiding all of that.
 
Given the experience my cousin had recently with his new build (a fairly expensive one that was about 18 months late and IIRC required the builders put him and his family up in a rental for months after they missed a very firm deadline*), I'd say a professional snagger may be worth it, if just because they should know what proofs are needed and how to describe everything.

However IMO you shouldn't need to do this, it's a sign the builders don't give a fig about the work, ideally all new homes should be signed off by a completely independent third party with say 5-10% of the sale cost of the property being held in escrow until every single snag is sorted (and an independent insurance to cover if the builder goes bust before all the snags are finished, in case it costs more than the escrow amount).



*As in, "yes your house will be ready by X date, you can sell your current one on X +2 months with no issue,"
 
Most if not all house builders hold retention on their sub contractors for a year or two. Most if not all have cross contract set off. Then there's product insurance, professional indemnity insurance and an independent building warranty.

All avenues to protect the end user
 
My friend is in a persimmon homes and you can literally wobble the walls.

We had a look at a Persimmon home last weekend and compared to some of the other house builders, they looked incredibly cheap. Not too mention the charge for built in wardrobes which all the others throw in with the price. And they were even missing things you'd expect like soft-close mechanisms.

I bought a David Wilson Home ~3.5 years ago, found 2 A4 pages of snags on my own. Probably a page of which never got sorted (balancing new build purchase with wedding planning was a bad idea in hindsight.

Just out of curiosity what kind of things were on the list?
 
We had a look at a Persimmon home last weekend and compared to some of the other house builders, they looked incredibly cheap. Not too mention the charge for built in wardrobes which all the others throw in with the price. And they were even missing things you'd expect like soft-close mechanisms.

I would avoid persimmons at all cost.

Our first was from them and the quality was shocking.
 
from the earlier bellaway snag thread https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/bellway-homes.18467940/, even the NHBC requirements can be abused.

http://www.dearcustomerrelations.com/2010/03/david-wilson-homes-how-not-to-build-a-house/
... As an architect, I have some knowledge of the requirements of the Building Acts concerning thermal insulation. Seeking further information, I consulted the local Building Control Department and subsequently, the NHBC Inspection Department in York. I was staggered to learn that David Wilson Homes circumvent the usual requirement for a U-value of 0.45W/sq.m/deg C through the walls by using the ‘trade-off’ method of calculation rather than the usual elemental approach. In other words, you avoid the need to insulate the wall cavities by (theoretically) improving the insulation elsewhere. As a result, the U-value through your walls is only 0.7W/sq.m/deg C – the standard requirement of the 1976 Regulations – hardly a modern standard of insulation. The word ‘cheapskate’ springs to mind.
 
I bought a new build as my first place (ground floor flat)

Guy Came to install the carpets before we moved in and not only had they not planed the doors to leave space for carpet, when the guy tried to fit carpet in my daughters room the inwardly opening french doors would no longer open as there was a 4mm gap between door and floor when opened (inwardly opening doors)

Complained to the still onsite builders and the managers etc who all came and had a big meeting in my flat the result of which telling me that “the carpet i had bought was too thick” after explaning that they hadent even left enough room for underlay and lots other choice words they had to remove the entire door + frame and install it higher in the wall. So my nice new build flat turned back into a building site.

Along with the other myriad of problems such as switches being wired permanently live, metal sockets having no earthing and a back garden that you couldn't grow anything in due to poor drainage and 1” of top soil ive been put off new builds for life. Moved into a 1970’s home late last year and had 0 previous owner caused problems.
 
Cala, Miller, etc.
These are both low end builders turning out the sort of stuff en masse which certainly does need extensive snagging!

Cala are currently building some giant estates ruining countryside around some of the towns in this area (West Oxon) unfortunately. Awful.
 
These are both low end builders turning out the sort of stuff en masse which certainly does need extensive snagging!

Cala are currently building some giant estates ruining countryside around some of the towns in this area (West Oxon) unfortunately. Awful.

Only issues I had were smoke alarms and a granite worktop. Other than that nothing.

Probably the quality of the workies down in England.
 
Something I find very interesting is that I've yet to meet a person who would happily buy a second new build after buying the first. All seem to have the same stories of too many issues and builders who avoid fixing things at all costs.
 
Something I find very interesting is that I've yet to meet a person who would happily buy a second new build after buying the first. All seem to have the same stories of too many issues and builders who avoid fixing things at all costs.

Yeah our current buyer are coming from a new build and buying our early 1930 build house heh because it is still better than any new build they've looked at.

Only good thing about new builds you usually get good Wifi penetration hah.
 
just caught some of watchdog - maybe worth catchup

they gave both persimmon & beldray the red card ... multiple offences of not installing fire-dampers in wall cavities, to stop spreading in both flats and houses(via roof), with examples of flats being re-built after (non-lethal) fires .... they kept that out of the news ?
(personally had not heard of these dampers before)
 
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