Project Management Certification...
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just do prince2
I'm not doing it, i just need to know about them for a discussion; there are far too much 'buy me buy me' type sites and i cannot find any facts and figures.
Any pointers greatly appreciated.
True, hence the question mark. No idea what specific area the OP is managing.
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Either Prince2 or Agile certification.
Prince2 is waterfall and Agile is, er, Agile. I much prefer Agile and it's certainly the up and coming form of project management for software development.
Prince2 is waterfall and Agile is, er, Agile. I much prefer Agile and it's certainly the up and coming form of project management for software development.
[DOD]Asprilla;15501982 said:
It depends - if you're looking at project or programme management.
Prince2 is something that can be scaled into programme management.
They both have their pros & cons. At the end of the day it depends on how the financing is done, in the old world you'd create a business case with the cost of releasing a new set of features for a certain return with identified risks and time period (Vista is a good example) the down side is that it's very probably due to pressure that the release scope is to be scaled back as timelines slip.
The current fashion for business cases is to create a vector (a focus) for a particular release and do as many features development can do in the time given but at the risk that the presales can't generate momentum because they can't state state functionality to their market and thus the return on the release business case could vary wildly (Windows 7).
Both have risk along with pros and cons. In the end it's really driven by the company culture, the state of play in the market.
Prince2 was created by the Government from what I can recall.
Read up all about it here
http://www.ogc.gov.uk/methods_prince_2.asp
Read up all about it here
http://www.ogc.gov.uk/methods_prince_2.asp
We offer something called APMP, Accredited Project Management.
http://www.matchettgroup.com/busine...ing/accredited_project_management_(apmp).aspx
Its a recognised qualification.
http://www.matchettgroup.com/busine...ing/accredited_project_management_(apmp).aspx
Its a recognised qualification.
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[DOD]Asprilla;15501982 said:
Anyone that uses terms like "waterfall" and "agile" should be murdered with a blunt tea spoon
APM or Prince2 for proper Project Management
http://www.apm.org.uk/
ITIL for more computer/tech based stuff
http://www.apm.org.uk/
ITIL for more computer/tech based stuff
I have to admit I love the name 6Sigma, it sounds like a cross between a Charlie's Angels, Quentin Tarantino and Commando Squad. 
PRINCE2 is a very well respected qualification, it's pretty much the baseline you'll need to get a foot in most PM jobs regardless of if you use it or not. It's basically a collection of common sense practices in a check list. Majority of jobs only use it as a guide for a cut down process.
6Sigma is more of quality optimisation.
ITIL is another common sense check list framework for services.
TOGAF is yet another framework of common sense practices - it's focus is to create and maintain a living enterprise sized system (subdivided into 9 areas) across the organisation guided by KPIs to ensure that all the IT systems continually fits the business strategic and tactical requirements.
Again it too is big and bulky born from government/defence but companies can use it as a guide or even focus on specific areas based on their business offerings (ie a data migration company may only focus on that area to fit in with companies running TOGAF ).
PRINCE2 is a very well respected qualification, it's pretty much the baseline you'll need to get a foot in most PM jobs regardless of if you use it or not. It's basically a collection of common sense practices in a check list. Majority of jobs only use it as a guide for a cut down process.
6Sigma is more of quality optimisation.
ITIL is another common sense check list framework for services.
TOGAF is yet another framework of common sense practices - it's focus is to create and maintain a living enterprise sized system (subdivided into 9 areas) across the organisation guided by KPIs to ensure that all the IT systems continually fits the business strategic and tactical requirements.
Again it too is big and bulky born from government/defence but companies can use it as a guide or even focus on specific areas based on their business offerings (ie a data migration company may only focus on that area to fit in with companies running TOGAF ).
I would point out that Prince2 can be used for managing overseas etc it's just a question of scaling. Also foundation is just that, there's also a Practitioner qualification which may be more useful.
Without going into detail on level of application and other aspects it'll prove difficult to place them in a grid. Also as I've indicated, virtually nobody uses any of these letter for letter. Often companies have their own systems that are based on one of those and hence they'll ask for that base certification to speed up the new starter.
Without going into detail on level of application and other aspects it'll prove difficult to place them in a grid. Also as I've indicated, virtually nobody uses any of these letter for letter. Often companies have their own systems that are based on one of those and hence they'll ask for that base certification to speed up the new starter.
Are these really worth much - I mean I guess its useful to know a framework but is having a certificate all that its cracked up to be?
As far as I can tell project managers in a sort of professional services/consultancy capacity basically need to be well organised and able to get people across different departments to do **** on time.
Product managers in terms of actual development/coding stuff need to be well organsed and have some technical knowledge/understanding - getting people to do **** is a no-brainer as they'll tend to report directly to you and you schedule their time.
Aside from that the actual method used isn't too relevant as long as the **** works, is delivered on time and there is some reasonable form of documentation to help future code monkeys fix it.
I dunno - maybe my place works on the 'back of a fag packet' approach but stuff gets done and clients pay us lots of money.
As far as I can tell project managers in a sort of professional services/consultancy capacity basically need to be well organised and able to get people across different departments to do **** on time.
Product managers in terms of actual development/coding stuff need to be well organsed and have some technical knowledge/understanding - getting people to do **** is a no-brainer as they'll tend to report directly to you and you schedule their time.
Aside from that the actual method used isn't too relevant as long as the **** works, is delivered on time and there is some reasonable form of documentation to help future code monkeys fix it.
I dunno - maybe my place works on the 'back of a fag packet' approach but stuff gets done and clients pay us lots of money.
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