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Currently building a gaming/cinema room and am after a projector for a 110" screen. I can't really spend more than £500, although I may be able to if I really can't get what I want for less.

Projector will be used for films and gaming, ideally I'd have a 4K HDR projector with low noise, but am I best dropping to 1080p considering my budget? I will be doing a bit of PC gaming on it too, would text on games like Total War etc be blurry at 1080? Any other considerations I need to think about?

Thanks
 
Currently building a gaming/cinema room and am after a projector for a 110" screen. I can't really spend more than £500, although I may be able to if I really can't get what I want for less.
Projector will be used for films and gaming, ideally I'd have a 4K HDR projector with low noise, but am I best dropping to 1080p considering my budget? I will be doing a bit of PC gaming on it too, would text on games like Total War etc be blurry at 1080? Any other considerations I need to think about?

Thanks


I'd prefer a 65" TV over a 110" low budget projector to be honest.

I have a 90" screen 1080p projector in my bedroom, and the image quality absolutely sucks vs the 65" TV 4k that's currently in my living room.

You can get large enough 4K HDR TV for your budget.
 
Due to multiple things that the room is going to be used for, I need the screen to be retractable. Plus, bigger = better :p.

What model projector do you have? I'm mainly looking for feedback/advice on what a 1080p/4k projector looks like at this budget and if I need to rethink budget.
 
You can get a 1080 Benq projector e.g. TH585 on amazon for that much and it looks "great". What I think is great is different from someone used to a 4k modern tv though! I'm happy with 1080 on a wall at 110" over a big ugly tv. Text should not be blurry at all. I play on mine fine. That said, I usually don't bother, and go over to the monitor for gaming. If you get one with low lag or even gaming specific you'd be fine it's great fun. I'm assuming you're ok blocking all light out with black out curtains etc.
 
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You can get a 1080 Benq projector e.g. TH585 on amazon for that much and it looks "great". What I think is great is different from someone used to a 4k modern tv though! I'm happy with 1080 on a wall at 110" over a big ugly tv. Text should not be blurry at all. I play on mine fine. That said, I usually don't bother, and go over to the monitor for gaming. If you get one with low lag or even gaming specific you'd be fine it's great fun. I'm assuming you're ok blocking all light out with black out curtains etc.

That's good to hear. I just want the option to stream my PC there, mainly it'll be films and casual Xbox gaming.

It's a dedicated game room with blackout shutters so light won't be a problem.
 
Yeah it's very immersive if its over 100" and sat on the comfy chair with a controller in your hand is amazing. I've played things like Dishonored 2 that way from my PC to a Benq W1600UST (not available now I think). Make sure you research projectors well if you haven't. Like the throw range for where it will have to go etc. I got a UST for a grand, so it could just sit in front of the wall but they are usually a lot more expensive and need a very fixed screen or flat wall. Short throw (not ultra) is cheaper and fine if you have line of sight etc.
 
Remember 4k is a relatively modern resolution. Only available on modern, and often expensive, projectors. For years now people have been using projectors with much lower resolutions, my second projector was only 720p, and I was happy with that at the time (my first wasn't even HD). So you wont have to worry about 1080p.

For example, my TV show collection on Plex is generally only saved at 720p and projected on my 120" screen from my Sony HW40es (1080p). Blue rays at 1080p look great on this, and the Sky HD broadcasts look good too.

Personally though, I would prioritise picture quality over resolution every time. But then again, I still don't have a 4k display in my house, as I still have my Panasonic Plasma in my lounge. My friend has the Sony A90J 4k OLED, and the picture sure is good. But honestly didn't seem like enough of a leap to warrant me spending the money whilst my calibrated 1080p plasma still pumps out a high quality image. And I am not really interested in replacing my projector with 4k until either it dies, or the costs for a high PQ example come down enough (I would probably go for another Sony 4k next time, so that's around £5k).

So with that said, with the budget you have, I'd stick with 1080p and go for the better picture quality. Any 4K PJ at that end of the market isn't going to be native 4K anyway (most likely using pixel shift tech), and probably not great PQ either. So I'd personally drop looking at 4K and try to demo the best looking 1080p you can afford. When I bought my HW40es, I did demo the best £500 PJ, best £1000 PJ and the Sony. I really wanted to like one of the cheaper ones, but the jump in PQ to the Sony (at around £1800 at the time) was totally worth it, and I don't regret the choice at all.
 
(most likely using pixel shift tech), and probably not great PQ either.

There is quite a variation depending on projector model/brand and what kind of applications you are doing - in some cases it is more or less apparent vs native 4K than others.

My money is generally on Optoma - personally I like the type of image they produce - if money is no object Sony is a good choice.
 
There is quite a variation depending on projector model/brand and what kind of applications you are doing - in some cases it is more or less apparent vs native 4K than others.

My money is generally on Optoma - personally I like the type of image they produce - if money is no object Sony is a good choice.

I wasn't necessarily saying the pixel shift tech was bad, I mean, JVC were using it not too long ago IIRC.

My previous PJ was Optoma, and I liked it too. Although I did suffer a little from the rainbow effect, so I would prefer to avoid that technology going forward if I can. But it wasn't deal breaking either. And I don't have much appetite for dropping £5k on a projector either, so if I do eventually move on up to 4K, I doubt it would be for a Sony unit. More likely Epson, Benq or Optoma to be fair.
 
I wasn't necessarily saying the pixel shift tech was bad, I mean, JVC were using it not too long ago IIRC.

Was meaning both ways - there are some terrible implementations of it and some that aren't too bad at all for what they are and some people will notice it more than others depending on subjective reasons and what they are using the projector for.
 
I can't really spend more than £500...Projector will be used for films and gaming, ideally I'd have a 4K HDR projector with low noise, but am I best dropping to 1080p considering my budget?

There's no point beating around the bush, £500 for 4K in projection is way off the mark. You need to double the projector budget at least, and even then you're at the very shallow end of the 4K pool.

Before 4K projection was a thing, 1080p projectors from proper home cinema brands ranged in price from £500 to over £50,000. The market broke down something like this:

sub £500 - mostly small portable business projectors - not really suitable for gaming or HC unless you had really low standards

£500~<£800 - gaming and home entertainment projectors - machines tuned for brightness (1500~3000 ANSI lumens) and some with short throw or ultra-short throw lenses for big images at short distances. Pros: good in ambient light, big picture @ short throw distance, reasonably low image lag. Cons: Not great with contrast. Imitated optical sharpness on short zoom models, fan noise, DLP the only real imaging option

£800~£1500 - the overlap between higher-brightness entertainment/gaming projectors and entry-level home cinema (HC) product. HC pros: better contrast, more accurate colour, better motion processing, lower fan noise, start of 3LCD models as an alternative to DLP for those with rainbow sensitivity. Cons: limited brightness 1000-1200 ANSI, requires darker room, optical image sharpness still limited

The above is all still entry-level stuff for the various application categories. There were some key price points above these where performance jumped up. Products such as the 2016/2017 model Epson 7300 at around £2000, and £4000 for the JVC DLA-X5000 set bench marks for performance. At the same time the TV market was streaking ahead with 4K UHD, projectors hadn't really moved on at the same pace. The issue was (and still is) the cost of making true native resolution UHD imaging panels. That's why pixel-shift technology dominates in the current sub £4,000 projector market.

Fast forward to the current projector market and things really haven't changed that much except for UHD pixel shift projectors replacing 1080p at roughly £1000 and above.

The reason why they're not available at £500 yet is a simple one; cost.

The price for the imaging chips is one of the biggest component costs in a projector. One of the most noticeable things about the early generation budget UHD projectors was how the rest of the component qualities dropped in order to accommodate the cost of the new chips. The lenses and video processing and the feature count all took a dip, and I'm not convinced they're back to pre-UHD levels.

Your plan to have a home cinema with a £500 projector that is 4K UHD and does HDR just doesn't stack up. If you can manage to increase your budget then it will help, but I would still look very carefully at the quality of any £1000 UHD projector as I still believe they're compromised because so much of the budget has to go in to the imaging chips.


I will be doing a bit of PC gaming on it too, would text on games like Total War etc be blurry at 1080? Any other considerations I need to think about?

Regarding your gaming; since 1080p projection is just about within your budget do you think it would be possible to set the console or PC to the same resolution. That way there's every chance that the text will be clear. You can always try your console or PC at 1080p resolution on a TV
 
Thanks for the detailed reply! I'm sticking with 1080p, although budgeting more like £6-700.

I don't really want to spend more as the whole build is supposed to be within a budget.

Just need to decide on a projector now! Standard to long throw, doesn't need massive bridghtness due to the room basically having zero light once shutters are closed, good response time and contrast ratio/maybe HDR. Simple!
 
I don't think you'll get something *new* decent within budget. Forget decent looking HDR on a £600 projector (it's hard enough on a £600 TV. I have difficulties with HDR on my £6000 projector). HDR doesn't automatically make the picture "better". On a low light output display like a budget projector or monitor; HDR can make the image look worse.

My view would be to look for a 5-6 year old flagship JVC 1080p DILA model. You'll get great black levels and good contrast. They go for pretty decent money too because lots of people are selling them to upgrade to the new JVC projectors.

For £600 used, you can get something that approaches what I have in terms of colour and contrast (but at 1080p) but at 10x less cost!
 
If you can stretch to £650 ish for the BenQ TH685 I think the sheer brightness (around the 3500 lumens quoted buit IS bright).will pop for games... 8.3ms for 120hz sources and 16ms for 50/60hz. A great gaming projector and a solid movie thrower, you can probably get it cheaper online but anyhow, If I was doing this, I'd 100% wouldn't touch 4k... stick with 1080P at this budget tbh and it at least llets you have HDR as well for netflix etc.

Seems the only downside to this PJ is black levels, but then again a lot will have this... you can't have peak brightness and inky blacks for £650... so a sacrifice will need to be made somwhere... unless going 2nd hand... but for me, 2nd hand, I wouldn't personally!
 
Thanks guys. I do have a problem with throw distance it seems, I want to keep the projector well back as I need clear headroom for VR (not a very tall ceiling). All the ~£500 new projectors just don't have the throw ratio needed for this.

So I'm looking at 2nd hand higher end options which seem to have more flexible zoom options. @BlairH , the JVC DILA models seem to have very poor latency, there's a few Sony vpl-hw30es units with new bulbs for around £450 which I'm fairly set on now.
 
Thanks guys. I do have a problem with throw distance it seems, I want to keep the projector well back as I need clear headroom for VR (not a very tall ceiling). All the ~£500 new projectors just don't have the throw ratio needed for this.

So I'm looking at 2nd hand higher end options which seem to have more flexible zoom options. @BlairH , the JVC DILA models seem to have very poor latency, there's a few Sony vpl-hw30es units with new bulbs for around £450 which I'm fairly set on now.

I picked up a used like new projector from Amazon warehouse deals almost half price. It may be worth keeping an eye out for any returns of current models in case they have a decent discount. If there are any problems you can return it hassle free or speak to live chat and ask for a partial refund.
 
I've spent the last two weeks messing with trying to get atmos working on my new soundbar and it turns out even though its technically possible, only netflix and local streaming like jellyfin do it. Probably would work for games too but I haven't tried.
When you try things like Disney and Amazon they just assume you don't need/want atmos unless you have a 4k screen (as thats where the atmos channel tends to be). Frustrating. So I've looked at a 4k projector around £2000, but I think I'd rather stick with what I have as 1080p is plenty good and from what I've read I might actually not like the different pros/cons of 4k in comparison. Also a lot of them don't have anything like the low latency which is great if you're playing games on it.

If anyone has a 1080p projector but has invested in something like the HDFury Diva to get atmos audio with 4k hdr downscaled to 1080 sdr please let us know.
 
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Just to finish this thread.

I ended up getting a sony vpl-hw30es, with a new bulb, for £450 off eBay. It's a big beast but it's almost silent, the picture is absolutely fantastic and the game mode latency is really low. Thanks for the advice folks!
 
Just to finish this thread.

I ended up getting a sony vpl-hw30es, with a new bulb, for £450 off eBay. It's a big beast but it's almost silent, the picture is absolutely fantastic and the game mode latency is really low. Thanks for the advice folks!
There's a lot to be said for having a reasonably quiet projector! It's one of the few things I don't like about mine, how noisy it is. Thankfully it's UST so it's not right over my head.

To follow up on my own post above I got an expensive but decent apple 4ktv which gives me atmos sound in netflix/disney and local streaming, along with pretty streamlined and simple one remote control.
 
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