prolab n-large drinks,thoughts?
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To an extent I agree, simple sugars post workout are very important or if you need a little "boost" a sugar hit will do the job (albeit followed by an awful crash) but to take something like n-large 2 or 3 times a day with the amount of sugar (28g per serving) is "wrong".
Reading more about n-large i've spotting this:
Code:Serving Size 4 Scoops (152g) Servings Per Container 11 Directions: Use as a dietary supplement to achieve desired muscular weight gain. Use one serving between meals and at bedtime. This formula is highly concentrated, and due to its potency you may want to consider using 1/2 serving two or three times per day.
So there's about a weeks supply at 1/2 servings and 3 days with full servings?!? Unless this is £5 a tub you're mad to even consider it!
OK protein bars are convenient, nicely packaged and a bit of a treat but if you put some whey, oats, cocoa etc in plastic freezer bags in a shaker you can carry several servings very easily. All you need is some water and 10sec to mix it and you're awayI'll happily sacrifice convenience for having control over my intake and ingredients.
ITs a yes and no situation, its only £10-15 for 3.8pounds which is onpar, or cheaper than most protein tubs to be fair. The serving size is huge thats all, it doesn't seem overly expensive compared to any other prebought stuff I don't think, maybe even fairly cheap end of the scale.
But tbh, theres nothing all that wrong with 28grams of sugar. I think the serving sizes are pretty basic guideline, sugar spikes insulin, which tends to increase(some say massively, some say not a lot, most think inbetween) the uptake of nutrients by the muscle. SO a good sugar influx in theory helps the muscle take up as much of the protein, water, anything else it needs, followed by some carbs for longer term energy and so on. Basically 28grams of sugar several times a day on a no training day for a tiny guy is bad, but before, after work out and before bed isn't really much to talk about. If you're burning that energy from building muscle and or working out, its not a problem. It also mentions half servings 2-3 times a day, which would only be 14grams a pop, at 45grams of sugar a day(i would think when they talk about multiple servings it would be a training day situation) isn't really anything, and 90% of the population will be eating a lot more than that daily.
The shake thing simply depends on his job, it would be easier eating a protein bar crusing along at mach 2, than to whip out a bottle of water and shaker from under his seat and mix up a batch
Once you take into account the serving size the whey + oats option is much cheaper. I take your point that its reasonable for a pre-mixed product.
I understand the basic mechanics of the insulin spike (caused by simple carbs) and it's use post-workout isn't in doubt, but maintaining a high insulin level all day? 28g of sugar *between* meals is completely unnecessary! Here's a interesting paragraph about insulin resistance -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_resistance#Causes_of_insulin_resistance - while sugar hasn't yet been directly attributed to resistance its the suspected cause. Why you would even risk becoming resistant to a hormone as powerful as insulin?
The shake thing simply depends on his job, it would be easier eating a protein bar crusing along at mach 2, than to whip out a bottle of water and shaker from under his seat and mix up a batch
Better be careful what he pulls out from under the seat else he might find himself cruising at Mach2 without an aeroplane!
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Once you take into account the serving size the whey + oats option is much cheaper. I take your point that its reasonable for a pre-mixed product.
I understand the basic mechanics of the insulin spike (caused by simple carbs) and it's use post-workout isn't in doubt, but maintaining a high insulin level all day? 28g of sugar *between* meals is completely unnecessary! Here's a interesting paragraph about insulin resistance -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_resistance#Causes_of_insulin_resistance - while sugar hasn't yet been directly attributed to resistance its the suspected cause. Why you would even risk becoming resistant to a hormone as powerful as insulin?
Better be careful what he pulls out from under the seat else he might find himself cruising at Mach2 without an aeroplane!
AH, but serving size can be equally as high in a whey + oats shake, its just a silly high serving and really a drink more aimed at people seriously having trouble packing in the calories. THough i'd doubt those serving sizes are really aimed for every serving, bit of bad english more than anything. AS with any whey product, serving suggestion is that, you have to take into accounts your own needs for anything. Bulk whey + oats would only be massively cheaper, if you had smaller serving, same serving it would be similar price. INfact it is very very cheap, though not a massively high BCAA ratio from what I could tell. Of course, its on deals for $24 in the states, and £27 here, so if you can't find the same deal its a joke in price tbh.
But if you had 3 half servings a day, thats still 15grams a pop, which is, about 1/4 of the sugar you get in a single mars bar. Not that i'm saying thats a standard to approach, but the insulin spike from 15grams, in a fairly large BB who needs that much carb, won't be that much of a spike at all.
IF I was looking to bulk, and I could find 3.8lbs of carb/whey combo at £10-12, it would pretty much be a steal, if it was £27 I'd laugh while putting myprotein in my address bar.
Theres also the idea that there can be two types of bulkers, some find it incredibly hard to gain ultra clean, but find putting on muscle + fat much easier, and dropping the fat afterwards even with a little muscle loss still gives them overall much better gains. Everyones slightly different basically. I don't think 45grams of sugar is really going to come close to creating insulin resistance ina person spread in 3 meals, but then if you can gain muscle incredibly cleanly as some people can, then avoiding sugar except in PWO might be better.
THeres actually quite a lot of talk around lately with people questioning just how important PWO simple or complex carbs, are. I guess it could easily be a case of with everyone being different, some people just don't need them, some people do.
