Protect and Serve . . . yeah right !
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and this is where you fall down. There is quite a range of options available to the cop at this point between "do nothing" and "shoot him in the back 8 times, even after he's stopped running". He wanted to make sure he was dead, not stopped, dead, that is why it is murder.
To play devils advocate to your argument, you don't know what the cop said to make him run, you can say an awful lot of offensive/threatening things without changing your body language.
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I saw a cyclist ride the wrong way down a one way street past a parked up ARU and not one of the officers shot at the cyclist.
They couldn't even be bothered to roll down a window and make a racist and/or sexist comment.
Standards in the Met are have really slipped. When I was a lad, you'd get a beating just for smelling of foreign food or wearing a loud shirt during the hours of darkness.
And yet all of this still ignores the rather obvious point that the use of deadly force was not appropriate in this situation. You can't shoot at someone eight times in the back in a public place because of fear that they might be about to do something else. There was no weapon and no threat to life. The physical altercation between them had ended and he was running away at the point that the officer saw fit to escalate his level of force.
One thing I'm very happy about regarding the police in the UK is, except for airports, I've only ever seen one armed officer and that was a year or 2 ago as I was stood at the counter in McDonalds when a cop stepped to the till to my left and I noticed he had a holstered pistol.
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I'm as pro police as anyone, but once the other party had dropped the officer's taser, turned and was fleeing; there was zero justification for deadly force to be used.
Picking up the taser and zapping the fleeing suspect = fine
Chasing the fleeing suspect and subduing him via rubgby tackle, pepper spray, baton strike or flying Kung Fu kick = fine
Shooting an unarmed and fleeing suspect in the back = not fine + arrested for murder.
Very true.
I wanted doofer to elaborate so when I'm dealing with an incident, I can refrain from going 'out of control'.
Pro Brit police fine, but we owe no kudos to foreign police especially when they are as trash as the usa has at the moment.
Yup first time I went to Heathrow in about 90 I was stunned to see British cops marching about in groups of 6 with machine guns, shortly after I went to Northern Ireland and saw folk dressed like me all the same shops and restaurants around town but soldiers and armed cops everywhere very strange.
A few years ago I was in a large Shropshire market town at the same time someone had been seen with a shotgun and 4 big cops in armour and carrying hk's drove past fast in a tiny police car, that was comical rather than shocking, the gun incident was just a local carrying a gun illegally but with no ill intent it turned out.
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Well, this is our own resident police officer might put it:
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I guess that should be Eight metaphorical scalpels.
The officers actions are indefensible, and quite rightly so he should stand trial for murder.
The officers actions are indefensible, and quite rightly so he should stand trial for murder.
I'm undecided on the officers guilt but can see he may get off, the situation is likely nowhere near as cut and dry as some people want it to be, they have taken one look at the video and see a guy being shot in the back and let emotions take over. To accuse ****er of murder is a knee jerk reaction and will never stick but the black community will not accept a manslaughter charge, prepare for some peaceful rioting protests USA.
I was wondering why it took eight shots to drop someone from five meters?
This cop would clearly be of no use in a zombie apocalypse where ammo is in scare supply.
I'm also wondering why they want to limit civilians to 10 round magazines when trained cops clearly can't yell "boom, headshot" with any kind of authority.
I don't think cops in the US run after anyone, they are too fat and they might spill their Latte, shooting someone in the back seems to be standard policy.
This cop would clearly be of no use in a zombie apocalypse where ammo is in scare supply.
I'm also wondering why they want to limit civilians to 10 round magazines when trained cops clearly can't yell "boom, headshot" with any kind of authority.
I don't think cops in the US run after anyone, they are too fat and they might spill their Latte, shooting someone in the back seems to be standard policy.
No I have never said all police are bad, fact.
like any group, some good some bad.
The met have been one of the most corrupt forces in in the UK, fact.
Not sure how many hit but its relatively hit and miss how many rounds it takes to actually stop someone let alone kill them (which aside from your just as likely to hit an artery and kill them anyhow is why saying why didn't they shoot someone in the leg i.e. "non-lethal", etc. is silly). People have been killed from 1 shot or lived with 30+ - been a fair few cases where someone has been hit with upwards of 20 rounds of 7.62mm and still lived long enough to do some damage back.
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You just dont know they are there, the bmw x5 which ive seen around here on many occassions is ARU.
And that's the way I like it.